Apparantly the largest mock teen election vote in history, ChannelOne.com is hosting it.  If your school is associated with ChannelOne.com you'll receive ballots with a unique key which you'll need to submit with your votes.  If your school is not associated with ChannelOne.com or you do not receive a ballot, go to ChannelOne.com and click on the vote headline to register to vote with them and receive a unique key.  Polls open October 19th at 8:00PM Eastern and close October 20th 10:00PM Eastern.  You will be able to vote for either the Republican or Democratic candidates or a third-party candidate.  Results will be posted on ChannelOne.com on Thursday October 21st and revealed on air on the Thursday edition of ChannelOne.

Visit [url]http://www.channelone.com/election_2004/2004/10/15/onevote_info/[/url] for more information and http://onevote.channelone.com/ to register to vote.

been there done that (the registration I mean). Problem is the only teen votes I care about are those by people who are 18 and 19. My school is supposed to be something like #3 in the nation based on the number of aps taken and passed compared to the size of the student body, but It seems like a lot of my class is inept when it comes to politicis (mostly under classmen), so I am not going to put much stock into the results from this thing... about the same amount of stock as the poll on this forum.

14 to 17 year olds are not allowed to vote for a reason. who gives a fuck what they think?

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14 to 17 year olds are not allowed to vote for a reason. who gives a fuck what they think?
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I do.  And apparantly many others do considering that they're talking about lowering the voting age to 16.

That's complete and total bull. Where does it say anything about lowering the voting age to 16?

we were affiliated with channelone in middle school, not now though. oh well.

[quote]Problem is the only teen votes I care about are those by people who are 18 and 19.[/quote]

OMGZ WER ARE SO LIEKE TEH FUTUARE 2!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/03/08/national2139EST0788.DTL&type=printable

If you went on Google I'm sure you could find other cases where they're lowering the voting age.  Now, I know it's not for president, but it may lead up to that.  And where I heard it, from local news.

I'm all for lowering the voting age. Though, I think underage voters (under 18) should be given a test. I'm more informed than the average voter and feel a test on basic government and current issues should be in order.

It should stay 18 or be raised... anyone who can't support themselves and has never lived in the real world shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[quote author=muert0 link=topic=9209.msg85039#msg85039 date=1098130268]
It should stay 18 or be raised... anyone who can't support themselves and has never lived in the real world shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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Anyone who is old enough to be drafted should be allowed to vote.

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[quote author=muert0 link=topic=9209.msg85039#msg85039 date=1098130268]
It should stay 18 or be raised... anyone who can't support themselves and has never lived in the real world shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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Anyone who is old enough to be drafted should be allowed to vote.
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Nobody can be drafted, so should nobody be allowed to vote?

Muerto, your comment is highly debatable.

[quote author=Mephisto link=topic=9209.msg85003#msg85003 date=1098108814]
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/03/08/national2139EST0788.DTL&type=printable

If you went on Google I'm sure you could find other cases where they're lowering the voting age.  Now, I know it's not for president, but it may lead up to that.  And where I heard it, from local news.
[/quote] The constitution states that you must be allowed to vote at 18. But any state can lower it to below that. But all citizens must be allowed to vote by 18. But any age unmder 18 is actually a state issue.

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[quote author=Mephisto link=topic=9209.msg85003#msg85003 date=1098108814]
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/03/08/national2139EST0788.DTL&type=printable

If you went on Google I'm sure you could find other cases where they're lowering the voting age.  Now, I know it's not for president, but it may lead up to that.  And where I heard it, from local news.
[/quote] The constitution states that you must be allowed to vote at 18. But any state can lower it to below that. But all citizens must be allowed to vote by 18. But any age unmder 18 is actually a state issue.
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But that doesn't mean that you can't vote under 18 if a law allows minors to vote (if that were to ever happen).  If they wanted to propose a law allowing minors to vote in the presidential elections it would still be constitutional, correct?

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[quote author=quasi-modo link=topic=9209.msg85128#msg85128 date=1098149939]
[quote author=Mephisto link=topic=9209.msg85003#msg85003 date=1098108814]
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/03/08/national2139EST0788.DTL&type=printable

If you went on Google I'm sure you could find other cases where they're lowering the voting age.  Now, I know it's not for president, but it may lead up to that.  And where I heard it, from local news.
[/quote] The constitution states that you must be allowed to vote at 18. But any state can lower it to below that. But all citizens must be allowed to vote by 18. But any age unmder 18 is actually a state issue.
[/quote]

But that doesn't mean that you can't vote under 18 if a law allows minors to vote (if that were to ever happen).  If they wanted to propose a law allowing minors to vote in the presidential elections it would still be constitutional, correct?
[/quote] Yes. The latest at which one must be allowed to vote is 18.. The state must let you vote in their elections by then. But since elections are done state by state the law to let a someone vote by then would be a state law most likely. Not federal.

[quote author=Mephisto link=topic=9209.msg85127#msg85127 date=1098149930]
Muerto, your comment is highly debatable.
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Debate it then.  Give me one good reason why someone who isn't old enough or mature enough to provide their own housing and take care of themselves without someone else giving them the money to live should be allowed to make adult decisions.

Because I don't agree that the ability to take care of yourself in the real world is grounds to determine whether the person is mature enough to vote.  Besides that, it's mostly laws that are already set for people under 18 that prevent them from being able to be on their own in the real world.  But there's also people I'm sure who are capable of taking care of themselves by age 16 who have a job, car, etc. who might otherwise emancipate themselves.  I believe people who are minors should have a right to vote providing they prove that they are knowledgable enough to be able to vote (as Trust suggested), but I believe that should apply to every citizen, not just minors, but that would be unconstitutional as peof mentioned.

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[quote author=Forged link=topic=9209.msg85047#msg85047 date=1098136451]
[quote author=muert0 link=topic=9209.msg85039#msg85039 date=1098130268]
It should stay 18 or be raised... anyone who can't support themselves and has never lived in the real world shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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Anyone who is old enough to be drafted should be allowed to vote.
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Nobody can be drafted, so should nobody be allowed to vote?
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If the goverment where to reinstate the draft for a war we could be.  The bottom line really is if you are old enough to legally be able to die for your country you should be allowed to vote on who you are dying for.

[quote author=muert0 link=topic=9209.msg85153#msg85153 date=1098157605]
[quote author=Mephisto link=topic=9209.msg85127#msg85127 date=1098149930]
Muerto, your comment is highly debatable.
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Debate it then.  Give me one good reason why someone who isn't old enough or mature enough to provide their own housing and take care of themselves without someone else giving them the money to live should be allowed to make adult decisions.
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I'd like to start out by saying that I do not want to change the current voting age.

Your argument holds no water muert0. There are plenty of people over the age of 18 who are not mature enough to provide for themselves, should they be allowed to vote? Maturity and age are not neccessarily linked. What you're basically saying is that only the self-sufficent should be allowed to vote, and thats just ridiculous. I know plenty of people my age who are capable of making adult decisions, and plenty that are not. I know plenty of 35 year olds who are mature enough to make adult decsions, and plenty who are not. You have to base it on something concrete. Maturity is not the issue, because different people mature at different rates.

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[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9209.msg85052#msg85052 date=1098137803]
[quote author=Forged link=topic=9209.msg85047#msg85047 date=1098136451]
[quote author=muert0 link=topic=9209.msg85039#msg85039 date=1098130268]
It should stay 18 or be raised... anyone who can't support themselves and has never lived in the real world shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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Anyone who is old enough to be drafted should be allowed to vote.
[/quote]

Nobody can be drafted, so should nobody be allowed to vote?
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If the goverment where to reinstate the draft for a war we could be.  The bottom line really is if you are old enough to legally be able to die for your country you should be allowed to vote on who you are dying for.
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First off, there will not be another draft. It will not be re-instated unless World War III breaks out and all hell breaks loose. On top of that, the draft age would almost certainly be 18, as you cannot be drafted and taken out of High School.

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[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9209.msg85052#msg85052 date=1098137803]
[quote author=Forged link=topic=9209.msg85047#msg85047 date=1098136451]
[quote author=muert0 link=topic=9209.msg85039#msg85039 date=1098130268]
It should stay 18 or be raised... anyone who can't support themselves and has never lived in the real world shouldn't be allowed to vote.
[/quote]

Anyone who is old enough to be drafted should be allowed to vote.
[/quote]

Nobody can be drafted, so should nobody be allowed to vote?
[/quote]

If the goverment where to reinstate the draft for a war we could be.  The bottom line really is if you are old enough to legally be able to die for your country you should be allowed to vote on who you are dying for.
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First off, there will not be another draft. It will not be re-instated unless World War III breaks out and all hell breaks loose. On top of that, the draft age would almost certainly be 18, as you cannot be drafted and taken out of High School.
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Did I ever say anything diffrent?  No...  I just said if you were old enough to be theoretically drafted (@ 18) you should be allowed to vote.  Wasn't that why the age was lowered in the first place?

Personally I am all for a sort of literacy test. But back in the day that was a Jim Crow law so no one would touch it with a 10 foot pole. But I think some sort of test would be nice... it is nice on paper atleast. I can see how it would never work for many reasons though  :-\

Well, back in the days when these laws were set a lot of people were probably illiterate anyways.  ;)

[quote author=Mephisto link=topic=9209.msg85273#msg85273 date=1098230851]
Well, back in the days when these laws were set a lot of people were probably illiterate anyways.  ;)
[/quote] That was why they had the grandfather clause so all the whities could vote. But I mean even if you did a test to see if the voter knew about the issues, the questions could be biased in such a way the more uneducated repulicans or uneducated democrats would fail.

[quote]But I think some sort of test would be nice[/quote]
Yeah lets just piss on the constituion.

[quote author=Forged link=topic=9209.msg85284#msg85284 date=1098235339]
[quote]But I think some sort of test would be nice[/quote]
Yeah lets just piss on the constituion.
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The mentally incompetant are not premitted to vote.

[quote author=Forged link=topic=9209.msg85284#msg85284 date=1098235339]
[quote]But I think some sort of test would be nice[/quote]
Yeah lets just piss on the constituion.
[/quote] Fortunatly those that would vote for a candidate because he has the same color skin as they do or the candidate has nice hair do not have the worlds best turn out record.

Good Game

[img]http://www.channelone.com/election_2004/results06.jpg[/img]

It is so BEAOOOOTEEFUL.

Yea, we rock.

Keeping in mind that that shows results of just teenage voters, which is a s-nmall fraction of the entire U.S. population with often a significantly different opinion on politics.  And that map doesn't show the percentages.  It's not like Bush completely won over that state.  :)

one good thing about this poll: An average teens political stance is detirmined by his or her parents' political stances.

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[quote author=Forged link=topic=9209.msg85047#msg85047 date=1098136451]
[quote author=muert0 link=topic=9209.msg85039#msg85039 date=1098130268]
It should stay 18 or be raised... anyone who can't support themselves and has never lived in the real world shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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Anyone who is old enough to be drafted should be allowed to vote.
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Nobody can be drafted, so should nobody be allowed to vote?
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heh, nice.