I have to put something here, so eh.

LOL 3 Kerry to 1 Bush to 1 Third party at this moment. Go Kerry!!

either no one or badnairk.

I am voting for Bush.

[quote author=Meh link=topic=9197.msg84875#msg84875 date=1098047568]
LOL 3 Kerry to 1 Bush to 1 Third party at this moment. Go Kerry!!
[/quote]

Senator Kerry will not win, end of story.

I might add that you should not get too excited by this poll, as it is in a certainly biased situation as it is held on a forum frequented by MANY bleeding heart liberals.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9197.msg84918#msg84918 date=1098058573]
[quote author=Meh link=topic=9197.msg84875#msg84875 date=1098047568]
LOL 3 Kerry to 1 Bush to 1 Third party at this moment. Go Kerry!!
[/quote]

Senator Kerry will not win, end of story.
[/quote] I sure hope you are right... Kerry is Scary. He makes children cry.
[quote]
I might add that you should not get too excited by this poll, as it is in a certainly biased situation as it is held on a forum frequented by MANY bleeding heart liberals.
[/quote] Lets figure out the margin of error.

[quote author=quasi-modo link=topic=9197.msg84923#msg84923 date=1098059189]
I sure hope you are right... Kerry is Scary. He makes children cry.
[/quote]
You make me cry.

[quote author=Soul Taker link=topic=9197.msg84924#msg84924 date=1098059396]
[quote author=quasi-modo link=topic=9197.msg84923#msg84923 date=1098059189]
I sure hope you are right... Kerry is Scary. He makes children cry.
[/quote]
You make me cry.
[/quote] Wuss.  :P

Wow, kerry's doing much better, that's surprising.  I would vote for nobody because I think they both suck :)

Taking into account the bias... I'd say a margin of error of 14 votes.

The liberitarian's still have a chance! (even the birthday party has a chance that means! Yes there is a very small (16 ppl) 3rd party named the birthday party).

The bias on a public vote??? Is that what they are going to do when the election comes. That's a silly statement.

haha, yesterday we were doing walk the vote and before that four of  us from young republicans went to an art festival that was flooded with kerry people yesterday (kerry hq is right across the street) so we handed bush stuff out. My friend told a guy to "Make the right choice this November" and he said "I am, but not that guy." so I yelled "You're voting for Nader?" and he didn't answer. :(

A guy on walk the vote said he's really voting for Nader too, though he'll have to write it in since he's not on our ballot.

[quote author=muert0 link=topic=9197.msg84971#msg84971 date=1098070270]
The bias on a public vote??? Is that what they are going to do when the election comes. That's a silly statement.
[/quote]

No, the bias because of a private forum that is not representative of the American public. Plus the fact that many of the people voting are not even Americans.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9197.msg84989#msg84989 date=1098098431]
[quote author=muert0 link=topic=9197.msg84971#msg84971 date=1098070270]
The bias on a public vote??? Is that what they are going to do when the election comes. That's a silly statement.
[/quote]

No, the bias because of a private forum that is not representative of the American public. Plus the fact that many of the people voting are not even Americans.
[/quote]

Yeah, when trying to guess anything about the outcome of the real vote you'll have to take into account that opposed to many forum members, an average voter is more on the moronic side and might just vote for Bush.

Haha @ Adron.

But how is this not a proper cross section, besides that the average intelligence on this forum is higher than the overall average?  It seems like saying that it's biased towards Kerry here means that intelligent people will vote for Kerry.

[quote author=iago link=topic=9197.msg85000#msg85000 date=1098102757]
Haha @ Adron.

But how is this not a proper cross section, besides that the average intelligence on this forum is higher than the overall average?  It seems like saying that it's biased towards Kerry here means that intelligent people will vote for Kerry.
[/quote]

You got my point :P

Bush had 11 earlier iirc, now he has 10...

Yeah,  I guess so and half the people here are underage. So you could toss them both a handicap I guess....

[quote author=iago link=topic=9197.msg85000#msg85000 date=1098102757]
Haha @ Adron.

But how is this not a proper cross section, besides that the average intelligence on this forum is higher than the overall average?  It seems like saying that it's biased towards Kerry here means that intelligent people will vote for Kerry.
[/quote]

I would say that the average liberal bias in this forum is higher than the overall average. You make it seem like liberals have a monopoly on the intelligence level. Check out the statistics from the 2000 election. Those with Bachelor's and Master's Degrees, as well as Doctorates, tended with the conservatives and voted Republican. Then look at the education levels that had the majority of Democratic votes. They were those who had either not completed a High School Diploma or only had a High School Diploma.

[quote author=Adron link=topic=9197.msg84996#msg84996 date=1098099950]
[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9197.msg84989#msg84989 date=1098098431]
[quote author=muert0 link=topic=9197.msg84971#msg84971 date=1098070270]
The bias on a public vote??? Is that what they are going to do when the election comes. That's a silly statement.
[/quote]

No, the bias because of a private forum that is not representative of the American public. Plus the fact that many of the people voting are not even Americans.
[/quote]

Yeah, when trying to guess anything about the outcome of the real vote you'll have to take into account that opposed to many forum members, an average voter is more on the moronic side and might just vote for Bush.
[/quote]

They could just as easily buy into the lies produced by the Kerry/Edwards camp and vote Democrat.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9197.msg85053#msg85053 date=1098137951]
[quote author=iago link=topic=9197.msg85000#msg85000 date=1098102757]
Haha @ Adron.

But how is this not a proper cross section, besides that the average intelligence on this forum is higher than the overall average?  It seems like saying that it's biased towards Kerry here means that intelligent people will vote for Kerry.
[/quote]

I would say that the average liberal bias in this forum is higher than the overall average. You make it seem like liberals have a monopoly on the intelligence level. Check out the statistics from the 2000 election. Those with Bachelor's and Master's Degrees, as well as Doctorates, tended with the conservatives and voted Republican. Then look at the education levels that had the majority of Democratic votes. They were those who had either not completed a High School Diploma or only had a High School Diploma.
[/quote]

I don't think you understood what I was saying, so let me clarify.

The average intelligence on this forum is above average, and the people that come here are required to be at least somewhat intelligent before being accepted.  I think we can all agree that the people here are a fairly random cross-section of intelligent computer-users.  You say that this forum is biased towards Kerry.  Therefore, intelligent people are biased towards Kerry.  No? :)

[quote author=iago link=topic=9197.msg85076#msg85076 date=1098143241]
[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9197.msg85053#msg85053 date=1098137951]
[quote author=iago link=topic=9197.msg85000#msg85000 date=1098102757]
Haha @ Adron.

But how is this not a proper cross section, besides that the average intelligence on this forum is higher than the overall average?  It seems like saying that it's biased towards Kerry here means that intelligent people will vote for Kerry.
[/quote]

I would say that the average liberal bias in this forum is higher than the overall average. You make it seem like liberals have a monopoly on the intelligence level. Check out the statistics from the 2000 election. Those with Bachelor's and Master's Degrees, as well as Doctorates, tended with the conservatives and voted Republican. Then look at the education levels that had the majority of Democratic votes. They were those who had either not completed a High School Diploma or only had a High School Diploma.
[/quote]

I don't think you understood what I was saying, so let me clarify.

The average intelligence on this forum is above average, and the people that come here are required to be at least somewhat intelligent before being accepted.  I think we can all agree that the people here are a fairly random cross-section of intelligent computer-users.  You say that this forum is biased towards Kerry.  Therefore, intelligent people are biased towards Kerry.  No? :)
[/quote]

No. Coincidence. Its certainly possible to have nearly an identical community that is more biased towards Bush.

here is a break down:
people who have never been to college tend to vote liberal
college educated (2 & 4 year degrees) tend to vote more republican
people with masters, phd, etc tend to vote more liberal.

[quote]an average voter is more on the moronic side and might just vote for Bush.[/quote]

You cannot equate voting any direction to stupidity, it is a downright arrogant connection to make. There are plenty of total idiots on both sides, and there are plenty of very well-educated people on both sides. It sickens me when people stereotype Republican voters as idiots: my father is a Mexican immigrant with a PhD in petrochemical engineering from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He is clearly not an idiot. He is even more conservative than I am. My friend's dad, who is a former meteorologist and now heads up one of the largest TV weather-graphics provider companies in America, is on the Air America board of directors and is a staunch liberal. He is most definitely not stupid.

Conversely, living in Madison, I have met countless liberals who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. They're exceedingly easy to debate.

[quote author=quasi-modo link=topic=9197.msg85252#msg85252 date=1098224116]
here is a break down:
people who have never been to college tend to vote liberal
college educated (2 & 4 year degrees) tend to vote more republican
people with masters, phd, etc tend to vote more liberal.

[/quote]

Show me your figures. My textbooks say otherwise.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9197.msg85262#msg85262 date=1098228675]
[quote author=quasi-modo link=topic=9197.msg85252#msg85252 date=1098224116]
here is a break down:
people who have never been to college tend to vote liberal
college educated (2 & 4 year degrees) tend to vote more republican
people with masters, phd, etc tend to vote more liberal.

[/quote]

Show me your figures. My textbooks say otherwise.
[/quote] I no longer have my ap government text book (I took the class last year) so I cant whip out its tables. How does your text book show you otherwise? What exactly does it say?

Actually this is from an outline of my ap gov book
[quote]
5. Schooling and information can affect political thinking; more educated people tend to be more liberal while less educated ones tend to be more conservative.
i. It seems that the longer students stay in college, the more liberal they become.
ii. This trend could be because college people’s own personalities allow them to be more liberal, but it could also be because exposure to more information can shape their minds.
iii. The level of information on a political topic is the biggest factor in one’s opinions on that topic.
iv. Another view states that colleges teach liberalism, since college professors are more liberal than people in other occupations.
v. As more and more people attend college, this factor has become more important, but experts largely agree that colleges today are more conservative than colleges of the past; also, how long college affects political thought can depend on a huge variety of reasons.
[/quote]

Interesting outline, I'm sure thats word for word from your textbook. I'm sure its in your own interpretation.

My American Government textbook provides the statistics in table form based on the results of the 2000 election.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9197.msg85288#msg85288 date=1098237655]
Interesting outline, I'm sure thats word for word from your textbook. I'm sure its in your own interpretation.

My American Government textbook provides the statistics in table form based on the results of the 2000 election.
[/quote] Uhh that is from an outline of the book that a professor wrote. The publisher's outline says about the same thing, but I used this guys outlines because they were a bit more detailed. The book is American Government from McDougal Littel.

Ps: it is not word for word with the text book, if it were that outline would no longer be an outline... it would be the book. It is not exactly my interpretation or my teacher's either. Like I said: uneducated tend to go liberal, more educated tend to go conservative, those who stay in college for a long time to get the higher degrees tend to be liberal.

This election is kind of like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

[quote author=Hitmen link=topic=9197.msg85301#msg85301 date=1098241946]
This election is kind of like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
[/quote]

Haha, best point in a long time :P

[quote author=Adron link=topic=9197.msg85433#msg85433 date=1098313162]
[quote author=Hitmen link=topic=9197.msg85301#msg85301 date=1098241946]
This election is kind of like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
[/quote]

Haha, best point in a long time :P
[/quote]

Although horribly unoriginal.

I think the reason this forum is biased is a lot of people are not Americans. Thus, they either a) don't like us because we didn't bend over for Europe or b) don't feel a threat of terrorism.

Besides thw WTC name one act of terrorism that America's people have felt the act of terrorism from [u]in[/u] America.

[quote author=muert0 link=topic=9197.msg85534#msg85534 date=1098387568]
Besides thw WTC name one act of terrorism that America's people have felt the act of terrorism from [u]in[/u] America.
[/quote]

None, because Bush is president and we've had no more terrorist attacks.

[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=9197.msg85446#msg85446 date=1098317300]
I think the reason this forum is biased is a lot of people are not Americans. Thus, they either a) don't like us because we didn't bend over for Europe or b) don't feel a threat of terrorism.
[/quote]

People tend not to like America because they're arrogant and they don't listen to anybody else.  The word "bully" is frequently used where I live.

But both Bush and Kerry are American, so I don't really see what that has to do.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=9197.msg85549#msg85549 date=1098391852]
[quote author=muert0 link=topic=9197.msg85534#msg85534 date=1098387568]
Besides thw WTC name one act of terrorism that America's people have felt the act of terrorism from [u]in[/u] America.
[/quote]

None, because Bush is president and we've had no more terrorist attacks.
[/quote]
If that were the reason the destruction of the WTC wouldn't have happened and name one before Bush was president that involved an Araibic terrorist group.

ChannelOne Vote showed that about 55% of the 1.4 million students that voted, chose Bush while only 40% chose Kerry.  Turns out that 5% of the people chose a third party.  Where the other 5% are I don't know

muert0:
The World Trade Centers were bombed in 1993.

[quote author=muert0 link=topic=9197.msg85559#msg85559 date=1098393823]
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=9197.msg85549#msg85549 date=1098391852]
[quote author=muert0 link=topic=9197.msg85534#msg85534 date=1098387568]
Besides thw WTC name one act of terrorism that America's people have felt the act of terrorism from [u]in[/u] America.
[/quote]

None, because Bush is president and we've had no more terrorist attacks.
[/quote]
If that were the reason the destruction of the WTC wouldn't have happened and name one before Bush was president that involved an Araibic terrorist group.
[/quote]

You should read the book "Intelligence Failure." It points out that Clinton overlooked much intelligence pointing to al Qaeda and terrorist groups that they were plotting said attacks. Its not about Bush, its about the nation in general.

[quote author=iago link=topic=9197.msg85551#msg85551 date=1098393204]
[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=9197.msg85446#msg85446 date=1098317300]
I think the reason this forum is biased is a lot of people are not Americans. Thus, they either a) don't like us because we didn't bend over for Europe or b) don't feel a threat of terrorism.
[/quote]

People tend not to like America because they're arrogant and they don't listen to anybody else.  The word "bully" is frequently used where I live.

But both Bush and Kerry are American, so I don't really see what that has to do.
[/quote]

I'll suffer those retarded remarks only because it doesn't change anything. Canadians and Arabs can think whatever they want about Americans, it doesn't change the fact that this country is the most powerful in the world and we will continue to better the lives of all of those who want freedom in the world.

"Bully" is simply a term often given to he who is not the underdog in world politics. Compared to anyone we are a bully. Our military is stronger than the next 13 largest nations combined.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9197.msg85596#msg85596 date=1098403919]
[quote author=iago link=topic=9197.msg85551#msg85551 date=1098393204]
[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=9197.msg85446#msg85446 date=1098317300]
I think the reason this forum is biased is a lot of people are not Americans. Thus, they either a) don't like us because we didn't bend over for Europe or b) don't feel a threat of terrorism.
[/quote]

People tend not to like America because they're arrogant and they don't listen to anybody else.  The word "bully" is frequently used where I live.

But both Bush and Kerry are American, so I don't really see what that has to do.
[/quote]

I'll suffer those retarded remarks only because it doesn't change anything. Canadians and Arabs can think whatever they want about Americans, it doesn't change the fact that this country is the most powerful in the world and we will continue to better the lives of all of those who want freedom in the world.

"Bully" is simply a term often given to he who is not the underdog in world politics. Compared to anyone we are a bully. Our military is stronger than the next 13 largest nations combined.
[/quote]

It's not just Canadians and Arabs.  As far as I know, everybody besides Americans themselves think that.

Yes every Arab, Canadian, etc that thinks like you. Just like the Americans who do not like America for the same reasons. Do not make it out to be more than it is, there is plenty of people who like America. They just do the smart thing and migrate here so they can get away from you. :P

[quote author=iago link=topic=9197.msg85607#msg85607 date=1098405600]
[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9197.msg85596#msg85596 date=1098403919]
[quote author=iago link=topic=9197.msg85551#msg85551 date=1098393204]
[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=9197.msg85446#msg85446 date=1098317300]
I think the reason this forum is biased is a lot of people are not Americans. Thus, they either a) don't like us because we didn't bend over for Europe or b) don't feel a threat of terrorism.
[/quote]

People tend not to like America because they're arrogant and they don't listen to anybody else.  The word "bully" is frequently used where I live.

But both Bush and Kerry are American, so I don't really see what that has to do.
[/quote]

I'll suffer those retarded remarks only because it doesn't change anything. Canadians and Arabs can think whatever they want about Americans, it doesn't change the fact that this country is the most powerful in the world and we will continue to better the lives of all of those who want freedom in the world.

"Bully" is simply a term often given to he who is not the underdog in world politics. Compared to anyone we are a bully. Our military is stronger than the next 13 largest nations combined.
[/quote]

It's not just Canadians and Arabs.  As far as I know, everybody besides Americans themselves think that.
[/quote]

I know plenty of people of foreign decent who don't think that and have told me its not the popular sentiment.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9197.msg85623#msg85623 date=1098407511]
I know plenty of people of foreign decent who don't think that and have told me its not the popular sentiment.
[/quote]

Plenty of people of foreign decent...who are American!  How about someone not an American?

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9197.msg85596#msg85596 date=1098403919]
[quote author=iago link=topic=9197.msg85551#msg85551 date=1098393204]
[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=9197.msg85446#msg85446 date=1098317300]
I think the reason this forum is biased is a lot of people are not Americans. Thus, they either a) don't like us because we didn't bend over for Europe or b) don't feel a threat of terrorism.
[/quote]

People tend not to like America because they're arrogant and they don't listen to anybody else.  The word "bully" is frequently used where I live.

But both Bush and Kerry are American, so I don't really see what that has to do.
[/quote]

I'll suffer those retarded remarks only because it doesn't change anything. Canadians and Arabs can think whatever they want about Americans, it doesn't change the fact that this country is the most powerful in the world and we will continue to better the lives of all of those who want freedom in the world.

"Bully" is simply a term often given to he who is not the underdog in world politics. Compared to anyone we are a bully. Our military is stronger than the next 13 largest nations combined.
[/quote]

This total arrogance seems to be uniquely American and is entirely irritating - what makes you think that the world shares the American definition of 'better'?  What makes you think that the world shares the American definition of 'freedom'?

What qualifies America to make these judgements?

Many Americans seem to  go around in their everyday affairs thinking not only that they're the best, but that everyone wants to be like them and everyone wishes they lived in America... it's no small wonder that a significant population of the world is very anti-American.

I hate to burst your bubble, but...

- America is not the best country in the world
- America doesn't have the best culture in the world
- America doesn't know everything
- America isn't qualified to police the world
- The entire world isn't jealous of Americans
- Military strength does not embue you with an innate right to do anything whatsoever

... and furthermore, no country in the world meets these criteria, nor will any country ever meet them.

[quote author=dxoigmn link=topic=9197.msg85637#msg85637 date=1098415799]
[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9197.msg85623#msg85623 date=1098407511]
I know plenty of people of foreign decent who don't think that and have told me its not the popular sentiment.
[/quote]

Plenty of people of foreign decent...who are American!  How about someone not an American?
[/quote]

A Lebonese man, a British student at my school who just moved here, a number of Israelis, a Polish family across the street from me...

[quote author=Arta[vL] link=topic=9197.msg85653#msg85653 date=1098439040]
- America is not the best country in the world
- America doesn't have the best culture in the world
- America doesn't know everything
- America isn't qualified to police the world
- The entire world isn't jealous of Americans
- Military strength does not embue you with an innate right to do anything whatsoever

... and furthermore, no country in the world meets these criteria, nor will any country ever meet them.
[/quote]

I used to think like that...and you're right, we don't. But the fact of the matter is, every since we have been the "world police", there hasn't been, and won't be, another world war.

Not to mention that the UN is essentially a governing body which allows other countries to decide where the US puts its army...

[quote]Plenty of people of foreign decent...who are American!  How about someone not an American?[/quote]

My dad, who is a Mexican immigrant. Several Polish immigrants in the Republican organization here in Madison. The head of the Republican advertising strategy in the 1996 presidential election, Alex Castellano, who was in a video we watched in American Politics today on campaign fundraising, a Cuban immigrant. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is an Austrian immigrant.

Mel Martinez, up for the US Senate spot vacated by Bob Graham, a Cuban immigrant.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=9197.msg85731#msg85731 date=1098496520]
Mel Martinez, up for the US Senate spot vacated by Bob Graham, a Cuban immigrant.
[/quote] Look at who he is up against, Caster comes off to me as just a complete bitch. Like that scary old lady at the end of the street type of figure.

[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=9197.msg85725#msg85725 date=1098491251]
I used to think like that...and you're right, we don't. But the fact of the matter is, every since we have been the "world police", there hasn't been, and won't be, another world war.
[/quote]

I don't really think that any nation can reasonably claim credit for that. Also, the UN doesn't decide where anyone has to put their army. No nation is obligated to use their military on behalf of the UN, and the US has a veto anyway.

[quote author=Arta[vL] link=topic=9197.msg85778#msg85778 date=1098535905]
[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=9197.msg85725#msg85725 date=1098491251]
I used to think like that...and you're right, we don't. But the fact of the matter is, every since we have been the "world police", there hasn't been, and won't be, another world war.
[/quote]

I don't really think that any nation can reasonably claim credit for that. Also, the UN doesn't decide where anyone has to put their army. No nation is obligated to use their military on behalf of the UN, and the US has a veto anyway.
[/quote]

Doesn't matter, the UN is still a worthless organization with the exception of their humanitarian activities.

[quote author=Arta[vL] link=topic=9197.msg85778#msg85778 date=1098535905]
[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=9197.msg85725#msg85725 date=1098491251]
I used to think like that...and you're right, we don't. But the fact of the matter is, every since we have been the "world police", there hasn't been, and won't be, another world war.
[/quote]

I don't really think that any nation can reasonably claim credit for that. Also, the UN doesn't decide where anyone has to put their army. No nation is obligated to use their military on behalf of the UN, and the US has a veto anyway.
[/quote]

Soviet Union and the United States were largely responsible for the demilitarization of Europe.
I also don't see any other country as the UN's primary military force.

Bush is a fawking whore.

[quote author=YaYYo link=topic=9197.msg85881#msg85881 date=1098602573]
Bush is a fawking whore.
[/quote]

And your claim is liberals tend to be more intelligent?

[quote author=Arta[vL] link=topic=9197.msg85653#msg85653 date=1098439040]This total arrogance seems to be uniquely American and is entirely irritating - what makes you think that the world shares the American definition of 'better'?  What makes you think that the world shares the American definition of 'freedom'?

What qualifies America to make these judgements?
- America is not the best country in the world
- America doesn't have the best culture in the world
... and furthermore, no country in the world meets these criteria[/quote]If you grasped basic set theory, you'd know that there is at least one best country in the world since the world has at least one country.  Thus, there is some country which meets the criterion "best country in the world."  Similarly, there is at least one country which has the best culture in the world.  These countries may or may not be distinct.

[quote author=YaYYo link=topic=9197.msg85881#msg85881 date=1098602573]
Bush is a fawking whore.
[/quote] Okay, you have no evidence supporting you statement that bush sleeps around and you made a spelling error. I believe the word you were looking for is 'fucking'.

[quote author=dictionary.com]fuck  Audio pronunciation of "fucking" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (fk) Vulgar Slang
v. fucked, fuck·ing, fucks
v. tr.

  1. To have sexual intercourse with.
  2. To take advantage of, betray, or cheat; victimize.
  3. Used in the imperative as a signal of angry dismissal.


v. intr.

  1. To engage in sexual intercourse.
  2. To act wastefully or foolishly.
  3. To interfere; meddle. Often used with with.


n.

  1. An act of sexual intercourse.
  2. A partner in sexual intercourse.
  3. A despised person.
  4. Used as an intensive: What the fuck did you do that for?


interj.

    Used to express extreme displeasure.


Phrasal Verbs:
fuck off

  1. Used in the imperative as a signal of angry dismissal.
  2. To spend time idly.
  3. To masturbate.

fuck over

    To treat unfairly; take advantage of.

fuck up

  1. To make a mistake; bungle something.
  2. To act carelessly, foolishly, or incorrectly.
  3. To cause to be intoxicated.


[Middle English, attested in pseudo-Latin fuccant, (they) fuck, deciphered from gxddbov.]

    Word History: The obscenity fuck is a very old word and has been considered shocking from the first, though it is seen in print much more often now than in the past. Its first known occurrence, in code because of its unacceptability, is in a poem composed in a mixture of Latin and English sometime before 1500. The poem, which satirizes the Carmelite friars of Cambridge, England, takes its title, “Flen flyys,” from the first words of its opening line, “Flen, flyys, and freris,” that is, “fleas, flies, and friars.” The line that contains fuck reads “Non sunt in coeli, quia gxddbov xxkxzt pg ifmk.” The Latin words “Non sunt in coeli, quia,” mean “they [the friars] are not in heaven, since.” The code “gxddbov xxkxzt pg ifmk” is easily broken by simply substituting the preceding letter in the alphabet, keeping in mind differences in the alphabet and in spelling between then and now: i was then used for both i and j; v was used for both u and v; and vv was used for w. This yields “fvccant [a fake Latin form] vvivys of heli.” The whole thus reads in translation: “They are not in heaven because they fuck wives of Ely [a town near Cambridge].”[/quote]

What so many call "arrogance" I call confidence.

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If you grasped basic set theory, you'd know that there is at least one best country in the world since the world has at least one country.  Thus, there is some country which meets the criterion "best country in the world."  Similarly, there is at least one country which has the best culture in the world.  These countries may or may not be distinct.
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I think the problem is that the "best" operator isn't well defined. Because of that, "best country" is "undefined" or more commonly "doesn't exist".

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What so many call "arrogance" I call confidence.
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confidence + being wrong = arrogance

Having enough confidence in what you say that you'd still be confident in it if you were wrong = arrogance.

You're making the assumption he is wrong. I call you arrogant, because I believe you are wrong. I call myself confident, because I believe I am right.

Adron == socialist :) but I still love you for some reason. Perhaps its your large biceps.

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Adron == socialist :) but I still love you for some reason. Perhaps its your large biceps.
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Definitely his youthful enthusiasm and boyish good looks.  ;D

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You're making the assumption he is wrong. I call you arrogant, because I believe you are wrong. I call myself confident, because I believe I am right.
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I call you arrogant because you're so convinced about things that when you are wrong you never change your mind about them anyway.