Valhalla Legends Forums Archive | Battle.net Bot Development | Clearing up the War3 Login Sequence issue

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TheMinistered
Guys, when I looked at the source leaked I instantly realized it was mine-- mine was different from everyone elses for distinct reasons. (function naming)

It leaked because RealVNC was running for a week while I was gone with a password of "1234". I should have closed it, but my apologies to all of the people who worked with me on the project.

If anyone knows who bruteforced the session password to get in my computer, please let me know A.S.A.P!

[EDIT]
Userloser, I'm unsure as of now if the intruder stole your dll, it was located in my /system32/ folder. I don't know if they noticed it, it doesn't appear that they did.
July 11, 2004, 2:59 PM
UserLoser.
[quote author=TheMinistered link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=0#msg69688 date=1089557956]
Guys, when I looked at the source leaked I instantly realized it was mine-- mine was different from everyone elses for distinct reasons. (function naming)

It leaked because RealVNC was running for a week while I was gone with a password of "1234". I should have closed it, but my apologies to all of the people who worked with me on the project.

If anyone knows who bruteforced the session password to get in my computer, please let me know A.S.A.P!

[EDIT]
Userloser, I'm unsure as of now if the intruder stole your dll, it was located in my /system32/ folder. I don't know if they noticed it, it doesn't appear that they did.
[/quote]

I'm havn't seen anyone with my DLL, and hopefully we won't.
July 11, 2004, 4:20 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=TheMinistered link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=0#msg69688 date=1089557956]
Guys, when I looked at the source leaked I instantly realized it was mine-- mine was different from everyone elses for distinct reasons. (function naming)

It leaked because RealVNC was running for a week while I was gone with a password of "1234". I should have closed it, but my apologies to all of the people who worked with me on the project.

If anyone knows who bruteforced the session password to get in my computer, please let me know A.S.A.P!

[EDIT]
Userloser, I'm unsure as of now if the intruder stole your dll, it was located in my /system32/ folder. I don't know if they noticed it, it doesn't appear that they did.
[/quote]

after so many failed attempts the VNC server shuts all activity down to where you cannot log in...

[img]http://www.gosugaming.net/tehVNC.JPG[/img]


no one "bruted" your realVNC
July 11, 2004, 4:22 PM
BaDDBLooD
Man...i wouldn't mind if like Advanced botdev people got all these Warcraft III Hashing Functions.

Gosugaming man... my worst nightmare! =[

EDIT: All your hard work >_<
July 11, 2004, 4:22 PM
iago
You actually want people to put their cdkey/password into and, in fact, _run_ something that you're distributing? They'd have to be pretty fucking stupid ....
July 11, 2004, 4:54 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=iago link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=0#msg69702 date=1089564871]
You actually want people to put their cdkey/password into and, in fact, _run_ something that you're distributing? They'd have to be pretty fucking stupid ....
[/quote]

oh yes!!! someone thats quitting bnet is so worried about getting shit id ont need.... i have over 60 illyz, i can load 900+ what else do i need... get over urself
July 11, 2004, 4:56 PM
BaDDBLooD
[quote author=GoSuGaMING link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=0#msg69703 date=1089564999]
[quote author=iago link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=0#msg69702 date=1089564871]
You actually want people to put their cdkey/password into and, in fact, _run_ something that you're distributing? They'd have to be pretty fucking stupid ....
[/quote]

oh yes!!! someone thats quitting bnet is so worried about getting shit id ont need.... i have over 60 illyz, i can load 900+ what else do i need... get over urself
[/quote]

Does anyone else get the tingly cold feeling in your back when you read that paragraph?
July 11, 2004, 5:04 PM
iago
So you have 900 keys, and you clearly didn't buy them. And people are supposed to _trust_ you? lmao.
July 11, 2004, 5:31 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=iago link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=0#msg69708 date=1089567076]
So you have 900 keys, and you clearly didn't buy them. And people are supposed to _trust_ you? lmao.
[/quote]

lol? i dont even leak my stuff... so how did i get them? none of ur business...
July 11, 2004, 5:36 PM
crashtestdummy
If he doesn't have his security settings set right it wont lockout. Windows is set with lockout turned off by default.
It really sucks that someone stole something you worked so hard on. I hope you figure out who it was. But, what can you really do to them.
Gosu your an ass.. and your stupidity is getting really old.
July 11, 2004, 5:38 PM
Fr0z3N
[quote author=muert0 link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=0#msg69710 date=1089567525]
If he doesn't have his security settings set right it wont lockout. Windows is set with lockout turned off by default.
It really sucks that someone stole something you worked so hard on. I hope you figure out who it was. But, what can you really do to them.
Gosu your an ass.. and your stupidity is getting really old.
[/quote]

Ban him from the forum maybe?
July 11, 2004, 5:45 PM
iago
[quote](12:49:37) Ron: Just do a checksum
(12:49:43) UserLoser: how? :(
(12:49:50) UserLoser: his had an 8 ordinal
(12:49:51) Ron: put it in a .zip file and open it in winrar :)
(12:49:52) UserLoser: w/o a 3 ordinal
(12:49:53) UserLoser: wtf?
(12:50:04) UserLoser: mine has 1-7
(12:50:13) UserLoser: his 39kb, mine 21kb
(12:50:34) UserLoser: and mine wasn't even release, is debug
(12:50:39) UserLoser: and it's smaller than that one..[/quote]

As far as I know, UL is the only one with NLS.dll, and this isn't his...
July 11, 2004, 5:54 PM
GoSuGaMING
TheMinistered aske dyou about stuff fort he dll did he not userloser? want aimlogs? hmm... seems specsious.... if you'd ratehr ill leak the whole code for C++

*edit*

sneakcharm: Fuck you
sneakcharm signed off at 2:01:38 PM.

*/edit*

aww :/ lol
July 11, 2004, 6:04 PM
GoSuGaMING
yes i have 8

1: Init
2: Uninit
3: AuthAccountLogon
4: AuthAccountLogonProof
5: AuthAccountCreate
6: AuthAccountChange
7: AuthAccountChangeProof
8: DecodeWar3CDkey

fuck it here ya guys go

C++ code:
www.gosugaming.net/War3.zip

VB Code:
www.gosugaming.net/NLS.dll
www.gosugaming.net/StandardSHA1.dll

The api calls fort he dll =
www.gosugaming.net/modNLS.bas
July 11, 2004, 6:08 PM
ChR0NiC
Hmmmmm, how sexy. :P
July 11, 2004, 6:37 PM
Adron
Nice sharing, but, code thieves don't belong in the world of everyone else.
July 11, 2004, 6:38 PM
Denial
900 bots? ya right i like to see that as a former person who loaded bots i doubt you could load that many. as for the war3 "bruting" i dont anyone cares enough to even want it. You probably leaked it to someone and they either backstabbed or something of that nature. And about illegal accounts i will have more then you ever will. I dunno why im responding to this probably because you came into my channel and spammed that link to war3. i Find it funny that your spamming it everywhere.
July 11, 2004, 6:39 PM
UserLoser.
There better be thanks to UserLoser for the DLL, thanks to Madd0x for the SRP class on all of your bots. Because we all know 95% of this community can't do crap for theirselves.
July 11, 2004, 6:41 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=UserLoser. link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=15#msg69721 date=1089571285]
There better be thanks to UserLoser for the DLL, thanks to Madd0x for the SRP class on all of your bots. Because we all know 95% of this community can't do crap for theirselves.
[/quote]

thought it wasnt urs... GG bitch

C++ code:
www.gosugaming.net/War3.zip

VB Code:
www.gosugaming.net/NLS.dll
www.gosugaming.net/StandardSHA1.dll

The api calls fort he dll =
www.gosugaming.net/modNLS.bas
July 11, 2004, 6:42 PM
UserLoser.
[quote author=GoSuGaMING link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=15#msg69722 date=1089571323]
[quote author=UserLoser. link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=15#msg69721 date=1089571285]
There better be thanks to UserLoser for the DLL, thanks to Madd0x for the SRP class on all of your bots. Because we all know 95% of this community can't do crap for theirselves.
[/quote]

thought it wasnt urs... GG bitch

C++ code:
www.gosugaming.net/War3.zip

VB Code:
www.gosugaming.net/NLS.dll
www.gosugaming.net/StandardSHA1.dll

The api calls fort he dll =
www.gosugaming.net/modNLS.bas
[/quote]

Sorry, I don't use InsertNONNTString, my packet buffer class only has "Insert". I can assure you those functions are not the same as mine.
July 11, 2004, 6:43 PM
ChR0NiC
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH I love the drama KEEP IT COMING. !! ;D The only thing this little Soap Opera is missing is Yoni ;D
July 11, 2004, 6:46 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=ChR0NiC link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=15#msg69726 date=1089571569]
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH I love the drama KEEP IT COMING. !! ;D The only thing this little Soap Opera is missing is Yoni ;D
[/quote]

lol ^.-
make sure u put TheMinistered int here! hes to thank for all this!!!
July 11, 2004, 6:46 PM
Adron
[quote author=ChR0NiC link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=15#msg69726 date=1089571569]
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH I love the drama KEEP IT COMING. !! ;D The only thing this little Soap Opera is missing is Yoni ;D
[/quote]

lol, drama... I've seen enough of that, thank you. Perhaps the involved parties could take it offline? Is the phone number correct for the domain registration?

[quote]
Billing Contact:
GoSuGaMING DeVeLoPMeNTS
Michael Eaver (mikeymoo@earthlink.net)
+1.9376725290
Fax: +1.9376725290
644 W. Linden ave
Miamisburg, OH 45342
US
[/quote]

Would probably be simpler for you to cuss out each other over the phone and be done with it. Or order a million porn magazines or something, more productive than spamming a forum thread about it.
July 11, 2004, 6:51 PM
GoSuGaMING
cell phone dont work and thats my old adress ^.-
it is active tho, just no cell phone :X

wrong e-mail also

GOes to charge cell phone so i can have people call meh ^.-

&YAY its up :) call call !
July 11, 2004, 6:53 PM
ChR0NiC
[quote author=UserLoser. link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=15#msg69721 date=1089571285]
Because we all know 95% of this community can't do crap for theirselves.
[/quote]

*blush* :-[
July 11, 2004, 7:02 PM
Fr0z3N
[quote author=ChR0NiC link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=15#msg69739 date=1089572549]
[quote author=UserLoser. link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=15#msg69721 date=1089571285]
Because we all know 95% of this community can't do crap for theirselves.
[/quote]

*blush* :-[
[/quote]
Unfortunatly, its true. :(
July 11, 2004, 7:03 PM
GoSuGaMING
wow u guys got my real cell phone # and ive gotten no calls...
July 11, 2004, 7:04 PM
StepAside
What a meaningful discussion.
July 11, 2004, 7:07 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=StepAside link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=15#msg69742 date=1089572829]
What a meaningful discussion.
[/quote]

i know isnt it!
July 11, 2004, 7:07 PM
Fr0z3N
[quote author=GoSuGaMING link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=15#msg69741 date=1089572643]
wow u guys got my real cell phone # and ive gotten no calls...
[/quote]

When I called it said Jimmy Dean isn't available
July 11, 2004, 7:10 PM
ChR0NiC
[quote author=GoSuGaMING link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=15#msg69741 date=1089572643]
wow u guys got my real cell phone # and ive gotten no calls...
[/quote]

[quote author=Rubicon link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=15#msg69744 date=1089573023]
When I called it said Jimmy Dean isn't available
[/quote]

AHAHHAHAHA *almost pukes from laughing*
July 11, 2004, 7:11 PM
Yoni
Adron, I love you. :-*
July 11, 2004, 7:12 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=Yoni link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69747 date=1089573161]
Adron, I love you. :-*
[/quote]

someone call :/ im turning it off if no one else ^.-
July 11, 2004, 7:14 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=GoSuGaMING link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69748 date=1089573245]
[quote author=Yoni link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69747 date=1089573161]
Adron, I love you. :-*
[/quote]

someone call :/ im turning it off if no one else ^.-
[/quote]

k its off... missed your guys's chance it hink ill turn it back on tonight...
July 11, 2004, 7:27 PM
crashtestdummy
Is anyone else just tired of him?
July 11, 2004, 7:37 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=muert0 link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69760 date=1089574629]
Is anyone else just tired of him?
[/quote]

i'm tired of u
July 11, 2004, 7:40 PM
LoRd
... It's not that big of a deal. The War3 hashing functions had to be leaked some time and iirc, they were intended to be from the start. The only real questions were who'd be the idiot to take the blame and the flame, when it would happen, where it would happen, and why it would happen.

The questions all point to one person, GoSuGaMiNg, in the kitchen, with the knife!
July 11, 2004, 7:46 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=LoRd[nK] link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69764 date=1089575212]
... It's not that big of a deal. The War3 hashing functions had to be leaked some time and iirc, they were intended to be from the start. The only real questions were who would take the blame and the flame, when it would happen and where it would happen.
[/quote]

who would do it? who wouldnt... itsjust another code to another game,.....
July 11, 2004, 7:51 PM
ChR0NiC
I realize I used to be guilty of this, but I think people should be left to figure things out for themselves. Obviously 97% of this community probably couldn't figure these hashing functions out, but it seems like all the things that people like Yoni, Skywing, iago, Userloser etc. have worked so hard for, are just another thing now that any script kiddie can copy and paste into his source and think he is some sort of pro
July 11, 2004, 8:10 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=ChR0NiC link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69768 date=1089576632]
I realize I used to be guilty of this, but I think people should be left to figure things out for themselves. Obviously 97% of this community probably couldn't figure these hashing functions out, but it seems like all the things that people like Yoni, Skywing, iago, Userloser etc. have worked so hard for, are just another thing now that any script kiddie can copy and paste into his source and think he is some sort of pro
[/quote]

including you.. you begged me to giv eu it b4 i leaked it :0 lol
July 11, 2004, 8:25 PM
ChR0NiC
[quote author=GoSuGaMING link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69770 date=1089577507]
including you.. you begged me to giv eu it b4 i leaked it :0 lol
[/quote]

Hmmmmm, I wouldn't say begged. But I did ask for it a few times.
But now that it's leaked, it's sexiness is less and less. Cuz I'm sure eventually every bot source leaked or posted will start showing up with these hashing functions put in them, for any new programmer to go frmMain.Caption = "Fart Bot by Dickhead"
July 11, 2004, 8:26 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=ChR0NiC link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69771 date=1089577581]
[quote author=GoSuGaMING link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69770 date=1089577507]
including you.. you begged me to giv eu it b4 i leaked it :0 lol
[/quote]

Hmmmmm, I wouldn't say begged. But I did ask for it a few times.
[/quote]

you bugged me so much that i gave it 2 u lol you played so many guilt trips! dont make me post aim logs :)
July 11, 2004, 8:27 PM
BaDDBLooD
[quote author=ChR0NiC link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69771 date=1089577581]
[quote author=GoSuGaMING link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69770 date=1089577507]
including you.. you begged me to giv eu it b4 i leaked it :0 lol
[/quote]

Hmmmmm, I wouldn't say begged. But I did ask for it a few times.
[/quote]

Come on, we all know you begged! ::)
July 11, 2004, 8:27 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=BaDDBLooD link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69773 date=1089577652]
[quote author=ChR0NiC link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69771 date=1089577581]
[quote author=GoSuGaMING link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69770 date=1089577507]
including you.. you begged me to giv eu it b4 i leaked it :0 lol
[/quote]

Hmmmmm, I wouldn't say begged. But I did ask for it a few times.
[/quote]

Come on, we all know you begged! ::)
[/quote]

^.-
July 11, 2004, 8:29 PM
ChR0NiC
[quote author=BaDDBLooD link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69773 date=1089577652]
[quote author=ChR0NiC link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69771 date=1089577581]
[quote author=GoSuGaMING link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69770 date=1089577507]
including you.. you begged me to giv eu it b4 i leaked it :0 lol
[/quote]

Hmmmmm, I wouldn't say begged. But I did ask for it a few times.
[/quote]

Come on, we all know you begged! ::)
[/quote]

Who are you to talk? Begging me to strip down a bot for you and write in comments so you can have the slightest clue of what is even taking place?

[quote author=GoSuGaMING link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69770 date=1089577507]
including you.. you begged me to giv eu it b4 i leaked it :0 lol
[/quote]

[quote author=GoSuGaMING link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=30#msg69772 date=1089577641]
you bugged me so much that i gave it 2 u lol you played so many guilt trips! dont make me post aim logs :)
[/quote]

Hmmm, did you by any chance make it? Didn't think so, so don't act like you have some sort of legal copyright to this source. You're just as guilty as everybody else.

[quote author=UserLoser. link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=15#msg69721 date=1089571285]
There better be thanks to UserLoser for the DLL, thanks to Madd0x for the SRP class on all of your bots. Because we all know 95% of this community can't do crap for theirselves.
[/quote]

These are the only people who have the right to be pissed off right now and pointing fingers to script kiddies who have no clue what this even does.
July 11, 2004, 8:29 PM
GoSuGaMING
stfu
July 11, 2004, 8:35 PM
Telos
Not to belittle the serious lameness of releasing someone's source code without permission, but a good portion of it (if not all) was intended to be released eventually anyway. Furthermore, I think the fact that it was done speaks highly of the group that accomplished it. Goes to show that with a few months, even those of us who aren't experts at reversing can turn out a desirable project. I know Madd0x, UserLoser, iago, TheMinistered, and Arta (and anyone else I forgot) all worked hard on turning Warcraft III's logon into something that everyone could use. So while I think that GosuGaming made the wrong choice to release this to the public, I hope that the project itself reflects the abilities of the people in this community.
July 11, 2004, 8:41 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=Telos link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=45#msg69779 date=1089578516]
Not to belittle the serious lameness of releasing someone's source code without permission, but a good portion of it (if not all) was intended to be released eventually anyway. Furthermore, I think the fact that it was done speaks highly of the group that accomplished it. Goes to show that with a few months, even those of us who aren't experts at reversing can turn out a desirable project. I know Madd0x, UserLoser, iago, TheMinistered, and Arta (and anyone else I forgot) all worked hard on turning Warcraft III's logon into something that everyone could use. So while I think that GosuGaming made the wrong choice to release this to the public, I hope that the project itself reflects the abilities of the people in this community.
[/quote]


how sweet! my dad just made cookies... want one?
July 11, 2004, 8:44 PM
crashtestdummy
I don't think Gosu has the brains to even fathom stealing it. Someone most likely gave it to him.
July 11, 2004, 8:45 PM
BaDDBLooD
[quote author=muert0 link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=45#msg69782 date=1089578759]
I don't think Gosu has the brains to even fathom stealing it. Someone most likely gave it to him.
[/quote]

I'm sorry, but that was Burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
July 11, 2004, 8:48 PM
LoRd
[quote author=muert0 link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=45#msg69782 date=1089578759]
I don't think Gosu has the brains to even fathom stealing it. Someone most likely gave it to him.
[/quote]

Whoever gave it to him obviously used him as a way to release it without receiving any blame because I highly doubt anyone who already had the War3 hashing functions would be stupid enough to give it to someone like GoSuGaMiNG without some reasoning behind it.

GoSU, you did exactly as the person that gave you the functions wanted, and now you'll be paying for it for some time to come. Goodjob, chump.
July 11, 2004, 8:50 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=muert0 link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=45#msg69782 date=1089578759]
I don't think Gosu has the brains to even fathom stealing it. Someone most likely gave it to him.
[/quote]

i told everyone who gave me it... if u had brians u would be able to comprehend the text on this forum
July 11, 2004, 9:00 PM
GoSuGaMING
[quote author=LoRd[nK] link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=45#msg69784 date=1089579004]
[quote author=muert0 link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=45#msg69782 date=1089578759]
I don't think Gosu has the brains to even fathom stealing it. Someone most likely gave it to him.
[/quote]

Whoever gave it to him obviously used him as a way to release it without receiving any blame because I highly doubt anyone who already had the War3 hashing functions would be stupid enough to give it to someone like GoSuGaMiNG without some reasoning behind it. GoSU, you did exactly as the person that gave you the functions wanted, and now you'll be paying for it for some time to come.
[/quote]

same person that gave it to you buddy!
July 11, 2004, 9:01 PM
UserLoser.
[quote author=GoSuGaMING link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=45#msg69785 date=1089579623]
[quote author=muert0 link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=45#msg69782 date=1089578759]
I don't think Gosu has the brains to even fathom stealing it. Someone most likely gave it to him.
[/quote]

i told everyone who gave me it... if u had brians u would be able to comprehend the text on this forum
[/quote]

U has Brians? Who's U, and where's the Brians at?
July 11, 2004, 9:18 PM
BinaryzL
Userloser I made modNLS.bas btw to use with those DLLs.
July 11, 2004, 9:58 PM
hismajesty
One of the first things I heard about when I got back from vacation today was iago telling me about this. You're even more of a lamer now GosuGaming. I'm pro-open source, but not when it's stolen/against the authors wishes. >:(
July 11, 2004, 10:16 PM
crashtestdummy
Large difference between open and stolen.
Gosu I can comprehend most text on the forum just not yours. At least you tried to put together a whole sentance though. I really was expecting a STFU or something of that nature.
July 11, 2004, 10:24 PM
UserLoser.
[quote author=BinaryzL link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=45#msg69801 date=1089583100]
Userloser I made modNLS.bas btw to use with those DLLs.
[/quote]


It's not 'that' DLL, it's UserLoser's DLL with a modified Madd0x Battle.net SRP class. Give credit, or go fucking do it your self.
July 11, 2004, 10:25 PM
PaiD
Can we ban Gosu now?

Edit: Spelling
July 11, 2004, 10:28 PM
BinaryzL
[quote author=UserLoser. link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=45#msg69807 date=1089584723]
[quote author=BinaryzL link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=45#msg69801 date=1089583100]
Userloser I made modNLS.bas btw to use with those DLLs.
[/quote]


It's not 'that' DLL, it's UserLoser's DLL with a modified Madd0x Battle.net SRP class. Give credit, or go fucking do it your self.
[/quote]

Fuck you. Everyone knows whos made the shit already.
July 11, 2004, 10:31 PM
Arta
How in God's name did this abortion of a conversation get 4 pages long?

Gosu, Badblood: Go away.
July 11, 2004, 10:47 PM
Adron
[quote author=Arta[vL] link=board=17;threadid=7657;start=60#msg69811 date=1089586037]
How in God's name did this abortion of a conversation get 4 pages long?

Gosu, Badblood: Go away.
[/quote]

Yours is the task to clean this forum. Or to request off-topic posters be banned? :P
July 11, 2004, 11:18 PM
Arta
Done both already :). I figured this thread was beyond hope, though.
July 11, 2004, 11:36 PM

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