Nah it's really bad video quality. You'll get over it.

Did anyone see the jewish news reporter a couple months back, that was sick. They sawed his head off nice and slow with a blunt object.

hmm, that movie was fuzzy enough that it didn't really look real. It could very easily have been faked by somebody trying to make them look bad. *wonders*

Yeah, that was really bad quality. And not any more convincing than that any low budget horror movie could have a scene like it.

The high quality one is infinitely more disgusting than the one on Ogrish.

[quote author=Naem link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=0#msg60247 date=1084641355]
The high quality one is infinitely more disgusting than the one on Ogrish.
[/quote]

link?

This is too disturbing...

Sad to see that you people get your jollies off of people killing themselves.

[quote author=Mitosis link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=0#msg60252 date=1084645090]
Sad to see that you people get your jollies off of people killing themselves.
[/quote]

They weren't discussing people killing themselves...

[quote author=Mitosis link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=0#msg60252 date=1084645090]
Sad to see that you people get your jollies off of people killing themselves.
[/quote]
OMG YOU'RE RIGHT I LOVE SEEING THAT GUY SAW HIS HEAD OFF, IT MAKES ME HORNY!!!1

[quote author=iago link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=0#msg60248 date=1084641662]
[quote author=Naem link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=0#msg60247 date=1084641355]
The high quality one is infinitely more disgusting than the one on Ogrish.
[/quote]

link?
[/quote]

Yes, where's the link?

[quote author=Mitosis link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=0#msg60252 date=1084645090]
Sad to see that you people get your jollies off of people killing themselves.
[/quote]I don't think anyone is getting their 'jollies' by watching this decapitation. I was curious, I watched it.

[quote author=Adron link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=0#msg60255 date=1084646146]
[quote author=iago link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=0#msg60248 date=1084641662]
[quote author=Naem link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=0#msg60247 date=1084641355]
The high quality one is infinitely more disgusting than the one on Ogrish.
[/quote]

link?
[/quote]

Yes, where's the link?
[/quote]

http://www.laurencereisland.com/iraq/

http://www.laurencereisland.com/iraq/iraq.wmv

Way to post a broken link.

http://64.224.5.139/stevemitton.com/iraq2vediom.wmv is where I watched it from, quality is ok. What I don't understand is what's all the yelling *before* they actually push him over and ...?

That movie is real. It is also horrendous. I believe we need to pull all our troops out, put these middle easterners in internment camps, nuke the whole fucking middle east. FUCK THESE SAND NIGGERS.

Worked, but for us bored people (and like the guy on the left who kept stepping around) who seek, the sound and video desynced. I suppose that's a bit better quality, but if I were to cut someone's head off, I'd actually spend the money to get a good camera instead of whatever they used. Unless it's still a crappy encoding.

Dunno where I got it from, it was a while back. It was in mpeg format.

How can you fuckers watch that shit and not get sick to your stomach. He is an American Citizen. Take that link off of this website please. People dont need to see that.

I actually didn't feel good (stomach) after I watched it...

I felt sick before, just because I knew what was going to happen. I think people need to see it, so they can see how FUCKED UP those Al Quada guys are.

I got something wrong with my .wmv's, I couldn't watch it, just got audio.

Jigsaw, this is a wake up call to me, as I'm sure it was to others, that this crap is actually happening to people who do not deserve it. I downloaded it on kazaa when I first heard of it, watched it twice, and it did make squirm. When whoever it was that posted the link on here to download it, I watched it and I couldn't finish watching it.

This is not something somebody wants to have to see, but welcome to the real world. I never imagined that someone would actually do this until I saw the movie, makes me think twice about what I do to people from the eastern countries.

[edit]I have an iraqi in my class, and after seeing that video I hated him, but the feelings dissipated quite quickly after talking to him. You have to realize that they are not all like this, it is a stereotype of some extremeists, just like canada's igloo people and american hicks, just because they exist does not mean the whole country is like that.[/edit]

[quote author=SNiFFeR link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=15#msg60330 date=1084672971]
I felt sick before, just because I knew what was going to happen. I think people need to see it, so they can see how FUCKED UP those iraqis are.
[/quote]

Iraqis? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the leader identified him self as an Al Quada guy from Jordan?

And why would Al Quada want anything to do with Iraq? Saddam has had people killed for religion..

People need to see this shit so as to see what life is like and what people will do to the extreme. If you feal sick dont watch it.

[quote author=iago link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=15#msg60365 date=1084688294]
Iraqis? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the leader identified him self as an Al Quada guy from Jordan?

And why would Al Quada want anything to do with Iraq? Saddam has had people killed for religion..
[/quote]

Do you know their language, or do you have a different source? What language is it?

[quote author=jigsaw link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=15#msg60327 date=1084672494]
How can you fuckers watch that shit and not get sick to your stomach. He is an American Citizen. Take that link off of this website please. People dont need to see that.
[/quote]

That is completely irrelevant. Unless you're assuming some kind of racism?

He's a human. He was killed. They killed him rather fast, didn't even torture him like an American might have.

[quote author=Adron link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=15#msg60378 date=1084703972]He's a human. He was killed. They killed him rather fast, didn't even torture him like an American might have.[/quote]

I have no evidence for this, but suspect that Americans get tortured far less overseas than many other peoples. Probably untrue, but my opinion is based on the frequency of reports and how many people are involved with torturing, and how many people are involved.

[quote author=Adron link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=15#msg60377 date=1084703888]
[quote author=iago link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=15#msg60365 date=1084688294]
Iraqis? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the leader identified him self as an Al Quada guy from Jordan?

And why would Al Quada want anything to do with Iraq? Saddam has had people killed for religion..
[/quote]

Do you know their language, or do you have a different source? What language is it?
[/quote]

http://topplerummy.org/berg/ - see #12
http://www.rense.com/general52/anom.htm - near the top

And there's some others. But the bottom line is, yes, I am believing secondary sources.

That second link is definitely interesting Iago.

[quote author=iago link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=15#msg60400 date=1084725081]
http://topplerummy.org/berg/ - see #12
http://www.rense.com/general52/anom.htm - near the top

And there's some others. But the bottom line is, yes, I am believing secondary sources.
[/quote]

Those are interesting links. Wonder if they are true...

[quote author=Adron link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=15#msg60722 date=1084919912]
[quote author=iago link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=15#msg60400 date=1084725081]
http://topplerummy.org/berg/ - see #12
http://www.rense.com/general52/anom.htm - near the top

And there's some others. But the bottom line is, yes, I am believing secondary sources.
[/quote]

Those are interesting links. Wonder if they are true...
[/quote]

I find it difficult to take someone seriously when they use arguments such as these to justify their position:
1. "As any surgeon will testify, the alleged beheading was a fake."
I haven't polled any surgeons but I find it difficult to believe that I can go up to any random surgeon and he'll show me undisputable proof that it was a fake.
2. "Anybody who has ever carved a turkey knows there is something wrong with the supposed beheading."
I've carved turkeys and I don't know that.

I'm not saying that the video isn't a fake, I just want to point out that arguments like that, don't entice me to believe anything you have to say.

[quote author=Thing link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg60726 date=1084920637]
[quote author=Adron link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=15#msg60722 date=1084919912]
[quote author=iago link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=15#msg60400 date=1084725081]
http://topplerummy.org/berg/ - see #12
http://www.rense.com/general52/anom.htm - near the top

And there's some others. But the bottom line is, yes, I am believing secondary sources.
[/quote]

Those are interesting links. Wonder if they are true...
[/quote]

I find it difficult to take someone seriously when they use arguments such as these to justify their position:
1. "As any surgeon will testify, the alleged beheading was a fake."
I haven't polled any surgeons but I find it difficult to believe that I can go up to any random surgeon and he'll show me undisputable proof that it was a fake.
2. "Anybody who has ever carved a turkey knows there is something wrong with the supposed beheading."
I've carved turkeys and I don't know that.

I'm not saying that the video isn't a fake, I just want to point out that arguments like that, don't entice me to believe anything you have to say.
[/quote]

I don't know if they are true. In fact, truth be told, I didn't even read those entire pages. But it seems interesting.

I believe I shall start polling more doctors.

After looking at this I asked two of my friend's parents about this. One is the Director of Public Health for Hillsborough County, Florida and the other is a pediatric neurosurgeon with the University of South Florida. Both of them told me that there is no evidence that the video was fake and that, to them, the video was certainly plausible.

I also have carved a turkey and I don't see how that is relevant in any way.

Something isnt right in the video. I have never seen so long a time delays in a video. from 2 o'clock to 13 o'clock.

I think what's "wrong" about the beheading is that they've cut up the video so that it's not continous.

The other arguments are interesting though - if a native speaker doesn't think the people speak like natives, that's a good reason to start questioning it.

All I know is that I am an American Citizen what happen on 9/11/2001 is unacceptable and I dont care if we have to take out everyone who has anything remotely to do with it, I stand for this country, not for humanity in general, but my neihgbors and family who live in this wonderful country, Ill sign up and go over there myself if I have to. People have to stand for something, and there are too many tree hugger hippies that think bloodshed is a final alternative, but ill tell you its the way of the wild and thats how it is. And by damnit America will stand its own.

[quote author=jigsaw link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61393 date=1085341720]
All I know is that I am an American Citizen what happen on 9/11/2001 is unacceptable and I dont care if we have to take out everyone who has anything remotely to do with it, I stand for this country, not for humanity in general, but my neihgbors and family who live in this wonderful country, Ill sign up and go over there myself if I have to. People have to stand for something, and there are too many tree hugger hippies that think bloodshed is a final alternative, but ill tell you its the way of the wild and thats how it is. And by damnit America will stand its own.
[/quote]

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, that's just being used as an excuse.

[quote author=jigsaw link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61393 date=1085341720]
And by damnit America will stand its own.
[/quote]
We all need each other to survive, no one country can survive without another. For example, the oil prices would fly through the roof if we destroy Iraq looking for a few crazy people. And then what do we do? we'll complain about the high oil prices even though it was us that made that happen.

There are ties from 911 to iraq. Dont bullshit me. The thing is if we just sit around and do nothing, what does that do? Atleast we make a concious effort towards a common goal. Working with other countries is good. These iraqi kids are being raised to hate americans... I have plenty of friends on the fields over there now, I talk to them a lot. You guys have no clue what *actually* is going on. Besides iago, you're from Canada that voids anything you have to say :P

How was Iraq involved in 9/11? It was the Al Qaida. The only reason we went to Iraq is because Bush thought that Saddam was hiding weapons of mass destruction which has yet to be found after more than a year after the war started. And think about all the families who lost someone due to the war, they don't think the war was necessary.

[quote author=jigsaw link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61426 date=1085349716]
You guys have no clue what *actually* is going on.
[/quote]

Last I heard, Americans were sexually abusing Iraqis? But Americans are so much better than them.

[quote author=iago[yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61435 date=1085356256]
[quote author=jigsaw link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61426 date=1085349716]
You guys have no clue what *actually* is going on.
[/quote]

Last I heard, Americans were sexually abusing Iraqis? But Americans are so much better than them.
[/quote]

You can't classify a nation by a few of its people. I am sure there are Canadians out there sexualy abusing people...

[quote author=Tuberload link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61438 date=1085356896]
[quote author=iago[yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61435 date=1085356256]
[quote author=jigsaw link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61426 date=1085349716]
You guys have no clue what *actually* is going on.
[/quote]

Last I heard, Americans were sexually abusing Iraqis? But Americans are so much better than them.
[/quote]

You can't classify a nation by a few of its people. I am sure there are Canadians out there sexualy abusing people...
[/quote]

Uhh, isn't that exactly what americans are doing in Iraq?

[quote author=jigsaw link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61426 date=1085349716]
There are ties from 911 to iraq. Dont bullshit me. The thing is if we just sit around and do nothing, what does that do? Atleast we make a concious effort towards a common goal. Working with other countries is good. These iraqi kids are being raised to hate americans... I have plenty of friends on the fields over there now, I talk to them a lot. You guys have no clue what *actually* is going on. Besides iago, you're from Canada that voids anything you have to say :P
[/quote]

There are ties from about 50 countries, including all of Europe and the United States, to 9/11. That's not specific enough to destroy a country.

[quote author=iago[yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61445 date=1085359319]
[quote author=Tuberload link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61438 date=1085356896]
[quote author=iago[yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61435 date=1085356256]
[quote author=jigsaw link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61426 date=1085349716]
You guys have no clue what *actually* is going on.
[/quote]

Last I heard, Americans were sexually abusing Iraqis? But Americans are so much better than them.
[/quote]

You can't classify a nation by a few of its people. I am sure there are Canadians out there sexualy abusing people...
[/quote]

Uhh, isn't that exactly what americans are doing in Iraq?
[/quote]

You said Americans were sexualy abusing Iraqi's which is true, but then you said Americans as a whole are much better than them. You compared a few with a nation, that's my point.

[quote author=Tuberload link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61459 date=1085361775]
[quote author=iago[yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61445 date=1085359319]
[quote author=Tuberload link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61438 date=1085356896]
[quote author=iago[yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61435 date=1085356256]
[quote author=jigsaw link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61426 date=1085349716]
You guys have no clue what *actually* is going on.
[/quote]

Last I heard, Americans were sexually abusing Iraqis? But Americans are so much better than them.
[/quote]

You can't classify a nation by a few of its people. I am sure there are Canadians out there sexualy abusing people...
[/quote]

Uhh, isn't that exactly what americans are doing in Iraq?
[/quote]

You said Americans were sexualy abusing Iraqi's which is true, but then you said Americans as a whole are much better than them. You compared a few with a nation, that's my point.
[/quote]

People are talking about all the horrible things "Iraqis do" -- but Americans also do horrible things. You can't judge a race based on the actions of some of them.

[quote author=j0k3r link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=15#msg60337 date=1084673827]
[edit]I have an iraqi in my class, and after seeing that video I hated him, but the feelings dissipated quite quickly after talking to him. You have to realize that they are not all like this, it is a stereotype of some extremeists, just like canada's igloo people and american hicks, just because they exist does not mean the whole country is like that.[/edit]
[/quote]

Now this thread is just going in circles.

[quote author=iago[yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61466 date=1085363600]
People are talking about all the horrible things "Iraqis do" -- but Americans also do horrible things. You can't judge a race based on the actions of some of them.
[/quote]

You just restated my point from another perspective. I never said you can judge a race based on the actions of a few, just like you can't judge a nation based on the actions of a few.

Jigsaw are you mentally retarted?
You have the mental capacity of my five year old brother...

Don't judge a book by its cover. ;D

Im not American im British but even i can see that we are just as bad as the people beheading the guy in Iraq. This is because our citizens in the army(not all but some) are torturing prisoners out there. If you say your country is wonderful then your wrong no country is except that that does not go to war.

[quote author=Tuberload link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61479 date=1085365975]
[quote author=iago[yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61466 date=1085363600]
People are talking about all the horrible things "Iraqis do" -- but Americans also do horrible things. You can't judge a race based on the actions of some of them.
[/quote]

You just restated my point from another perspective. I never said you can judge a race based on the actions of a few, just like you can't judge a nation based on the actions of a few.
[/quote]

But if you support the war on Iraq, then that's probably what you're doing.

[quote author=The-Rabid-Lord link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61506 date=1085383367]
Im not American im British but even i can see that we are just as bad as the people beheading the guy in Iraq. This is because our citizens in the army(not all but some) are torturing prisoners out there. If you say your country is wonderful then your wrong no country is except that that does not go to war.
[/quote]

Not going to war can be wrong, too. Ask Europe their opinion on the United States entering war in WWI. They're probably still blaming it on the Americans for not joining until 6 months before it was over. (Or 10 years before it was over if we did not enter and end it).

[quote author=iago[yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61509 date=1085386437]
[quote author=Tuberload link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61479 date=1085365975]
[quote author=iago[yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61466 date=1085363600]
People are talking about all the horrible things "Iraqis do" -- but Americans also do horrible things. You can't judge a race based on the actions of some of them.
[/quote]

You just restated my point from another perspective. I never said you can judge a race based on the actions of a few, just like you can't judge a nation based on the actions of a few.
[/quote]

But if you support the war on Iraq, then that's probably what you're doing.
[/quote]

I support the removal of a dictator, not war on a race.

[quote author=Tuberload link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61526 date=1085408556]
[quote author=iago[yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61509 date=1085386437]
[quote author=Tuberload link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61479 date=1085365975]
[quote author=iago[yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61466 date=1085363600]
People are talking about all the horrible things "Iraqis do" -- but Americans also do horrible things. You can't judge a race based on the actions of some of them.
[/quote]

You just restated my point from another perspective. I never said you can judge a race based on the actions of a few, just like you can't judge a nation based on the actions of a few.
[/quote]

But if you support the war on Iraq, then that's probably what you're doing.
[/quote]

I support the removal of a dictator, not war on a race.
[/quote]

How can 9/11 possibly be a reason for a war, then?

[quote author=iago[yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61533 date=1085415376]
How can 9/11 possibly be a reason for a war, then?
[/quote]

I will provide a short answer for my reasoning. I don't want to start another huge conversation on this subject.

9/11 was an act of terrorism. Terrorists cannot be classified by a race or nation, but there are specific nations out there that harbor and support terrorists willingly. While I will never support a war against a race, I will support a war against a nation that I feel harbors, or supports terrorists. I feel, based off of the research I have done, that Saddam supported terrorists.

I also feel that since we went in and removed Saddam from power that we are obligated to help Iraq rebuild. I do not however believe we have the right to control the country. That is why I hope the transfer of power stays on schedule, and we step back to helping with security.

I look at it this way: war isn't pretty, and people can condemn the US all they want for what is going on in Iraq, but nothing was going to change for the Iraqi citizens with Saddam in power. At least they have a chance now to become a free nation. People can't expect things to change over night; they can only hope that those in power do not abuse that power. Whether the US led coalition is abusing that power or not is another debate, but one thing is certain, soon Iraq will govern itself and be presented with the opportunity to make a new life for themselves. A life that was not allowed while Saddam was in power.

More on the subject of terrorism, I feel one of the biggest things that can help combat it, is not to support it. While there are countries out there supporting terrorism, there will be wars fought.

[quote author=Forged link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61493 date=1085371394]
Jigsaw are you mentally retarted?
You have the mental capacity of my five year old brother...
[/quote]

You can't even spell retarded, you're in no position to talk. You also don't give any reason/explanation for saying this.

[quote author=Grok link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61511 date=1085396599]
[quote author=The-Rabid-Lord link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61506 date=1085383367]
Im not American im British but even i can see that we are just as bad as the people beheading the guy in Iraq. This is because our citizens in the army(not all but some) are torturing prisoners out there. If you say your country is wonderful then your wrong no country is except that that does not go to war.
[/quote]

Not going to war can be wrong, too. Ask Europe their opinion on the United States entering war in WWI. They're probably still blaming it on the Americans for not joining until 6 months before it was over. (Or 10 years before it was over if we did not enter and end it).
[/quote]
WWII was just however. If you ask anyone Hitler was a monster. I think America was poor not to come in yet as soon as we were called for about a year and a half ago our pupet of a leader jumped at the chance to plunge us into a war that was against America.

[quote]You also don't give any reason/explanation for saying this. [/quote]

I thought what he said spoke for itself, but...

[quote] believe we need to pull all our troops out, put these middle easterners in internment camps, nuke the whole fucking middle east. FUCK THESE SAND NIGGERS[/quote]
Do I need to explain this one?

[quote]He is an American Citizen. Take that link off of this website please. People dont need to see that. [/quote]
I don't understand wht him being an American Citizen has to do with the price of tea in China but...

[quote]All I know is that I am an American Citizen what happen on 9/11/2001 is unacceptable and I dont care if we have to take out everyone who has anything remotely to do with it[/quote]

Well lets go after the Saudis, wait no they are our friends, lets forget about that 19 of the terrorist were Saudis...

[quote] and there are too many tree hugger hippies that think bloodshed is a final alternative, but ill tell you its the way of the wild and thats how it is. And by damnit America will stand its own. [/quote]
So killing people makes them want to stop killing us, great logic there cheif.

[quote]There are ties from 911 to iraq[/quote]

Where are these ties at?

[quote]Atleast we make a concious effort towards a common goal[/quote]
So even if it is wrong we should still work toward a common goal? Why don't we ummm like maybe think of a beter solution first?

As for myself spelling retarded wrong, I never said I was not also retarded.

[quote author=The-Rabid-Lord link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61545 date=1085420162]
[quote author=Grok link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61511 date=1085396599]
[quote author=The-Rabid-Lord link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=45#msg61506 date=1085383367]
Im not American im British but even i can see that we are just as bad as the people beheading the guy in Iraq. This is because our citizens in the army(not all but some) are torturing prisoners out there. If you say your country is wonderful then your wrong no country is except that that does not go to war.
[/quote]

Not going to war can be wrong, too. Ask Europe their opinion on the United States entering war in WWI. They're probably still blaming it on the Americans for not joining until 6 months before it was over. (Or 10 years before it was over if we did not enter and end it).
[/quote]
WWII was just however. If you ask anyone Hitler was a monster. I think America was poor not to come in yet as soon as we were called for about a year and a half ago our pupet of a leader jumped at the chance to plunge us into a war that was against America.
[/quote]

Oh don't even start. Europe as much as ignored Hitler rolling over Poland. No European has any room to complain, in that regards, about the United States not joining until 1942. Besides, Europe created a Germany in which Hitler's crap could thrive. France and England were dead-set to punish Germany and make them pay deadly for the millions of lives, money, and resources lost in WWI. They weren't going to let Germany rebuild at all, forcing it to stay in perpetual poverty and generally unlivable conditions. After years of that, I might follow anyone promising to get me out of that way of living. Europe is so quick to blame the United States for problems that Europe's provincialism, secret alliances, stockpiling of weapons, and paranoia had created.

[quote author=Tuberload link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61438 date=1085356896]
[quote author=iago[yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61435 date=1085356256]
[quote author=jigsaw link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=30#msg61426 date=1085349716]
You guys have no clue what *actually* is going on.
[/quote]

Last I heard, Americans were sexually abusing Iraqis? But Americans are so much better than them.
[/quote]

You can't classify a nation by a few of its people. I am sure there are Canadians out there sexualy abusing people...
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Not just "people" either

Forged, I would like to know how old you are? Where you are from? Where you were raised? You have no sense of pride - you do not belong in this country. You are a disgrace and have probably accomplished nothing in your life, nor will you ever. Obviously you aren't a team player, you're probably a democrat too. Even it is wrong (some moves by out president) you must always back him. Thats like going against you mother's word in a situation, you always stand behind your friends and neighbors. You are a mindless sack of crap if you ask me.. oh and by the way.. no offense.

Another thing.. I am sick of people defending iraqis... knock that shit off. Given the chance any one of those bastards would kill an American, I bet 90% of them over there dislike us. Man... judging by you guys.. this country is going to shit.. didnt you ever sit down with your grandfather and listen to war stories, and listen views handed down through generation. Quit trying to change everything, damnit.

[quote]Forged, I would like to know how old you are? Where you are from? Where you were raised? You have no sense of pride - you do not belong in this country[/quote]

I am 18
I am From Alabama
My stepdad is in the AirForce so I move all over the place
You are right I really don't have any pride, I think I live on a slab of land, not gods country...
I am moving out of this country when I finish college don't worry.
[quote]You are a disgrace and have probably accomplished nothing in your life, nor will you ever[/quote]
Yep and probally not.

[quote]Obviously you aren't a team player, you're probably a democrat too[/quote]
Ehh I guess, and no I am not a democrat they are just as bad as the neo-con poser republicans we have now.
[quote]Even it is wrong (some moves by out president) you must always back him[/quote]
So when the president calls for a genocide (theoretically I am not talking about iraq...) I should follow him?
[quote] Thats like going against you mother's word [/quote]
It is called mutual respect, I love and respect my mother enough to do what she ask, and she loves and respects me enough not to ask me to do something blatantlly against my wishes.

[quote] You are a mindless [/quote]
Ahh smell the irony in the air
[quote]Another thing.. I am sick of people defending iraqis[/quote]
I am defending Iraqi's? No not quite.

Defending iraqies, wasnt directed towards you. However, you have a lot of growing up to do. I wish you well in another country, but the day couldn't come soon enough that you leave the grounds of this land. Our four fathers would spit in your face right now.

[quote]but the day couldn't come soon enough that you leave the grounds of this land.[/quote]
Well loan me the extra 10,000 a year for overseas college tuition :P

[quote]Our four fathers would spit in your face right now.[/quote]
Why do you say that?
P.S there were more than four. :)

because forged, I dont believe that if this country called upon you to defend it. I think you would hide under your mommy's skirt. Personally I think you are a chicken shit.

[quote]I dont believe that if this country called upon you to defend it.I think you would hide under your mommy's skirt. Personally I think you are a chicken shit[/quote]
Thats quite the assumption.
You are however half right. I will not die for an unjust cause such as The Korean war, or nam, or the Gulf-war. Hasty moves lead to lots of unecissary deaths.

Assumption that is half right.. hm... for a "college" educated boy, you haven't passed 9th grade english.

Where do you attend school? What is your major? Do you have any hobbies or interests worthwhile?

America sucks... Just letting you know.

"Where do you attend school? What is your major? Do you have any hobbies or interests worthwhile?"

Dude, I think he's asking you out on a date.

Only thing I hate more then Americans is homosexuals. Like there's much diffrence between the two anyways.

hahaha, trash. You will be disregarded.

"hahaha, trash. You will be disregarded."

haahah, That wasn't funny.

[quote]Where do you attend school? What is your major? Do you have any hobbies or interests worthwhile?[/quote]

Summer time son.
I intend on majoring in History of some kind I would like to become a teacher.

I really don't have any great hobbies. I enjoy BMX but it is way to hot atm...

[quote]Assumption that is half right[/quote]

Assume:: to take as granted or true
I am confused as to how I mis-used that word?

[quote].. hm... for a "college" educated boy,[/quote]
Never did I say I was college educated, only that I was going to finish college before moving.

[quote]you haven't passed 9th grade English [/quote]

wow you caught me chief </sarcasm>

[quote author=Theory link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=60#msg62551 date=1085805800]
America sucks... Just letting you know.

"Where do you attend school? What is your major? Do you have any hobbies or interests worthwhile?"

Dude, I think he's asking you out on a date.

Only thing I hate more then Americans is homosexuals. Like there's much diffrence between the two anyways.


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If you live in America I hope they kick you out, if you don't I hope you will never be able to.

"If you live in America I hope they kick you out, if you don't I hope you will never be able to."

Maybe you didn't read my post. Or lack the knowledge to understand it. Either or you're still an idiot. I don't live in America. And the fact that I just called all Americans homosexuals kind of gives the faint sense that I would never want to live there. I'm sorry if you didn't pick that up.

I don't blame you I blame America

[quote]If you live in America I hope they kick you out, if you don't I hope you will never be able to. [/quote]
You really aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

[quote author=Forged link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=75#msg62560 date=1085806493]
[quote]If you live in America I hope they kick you out, if you don't I hope you will never be able to. [/quote]
You really aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you?
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I'd say he's more of a spoon than a tool.

I wasn't talking to you forged and theory nobody gives a fuck about what you think.

[quote author=Falcon[anti-yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=75#msg62562 date=1085806607]
I wasn't talking to you forged and theory nobody gives a fuck about what you think.
[/quote]

Then why'd you reply.gg

I know you were not talking to me...

falcon is a retard..

[quote author=Theory link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=75#msg62564 date=1085806649]
Then why'd you reply.gg
[/quote]
To tell you that you are a moron.

well if you wanted to call him a moron you obviouslly cared.

[quote author=Falcon[anti-yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=75#msg62567 date=1085806755]
[quote author=Theory link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=75#msg62564 date=1085806649]
Then why'd you reply.gg
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To tell you that you are a moron.
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You didn't do a very good job of it..

I care about my country and I have pride in it.

[quote author=Falcon[anti-yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=75#msg62570 date=1085806886]
I care about my country and I have pride in it.
[/quote]
You're talking about pride in the USA!?

Now who's the moron.

And for the Americans that was something called a

(rhetorical question)

look it up.

Thread summary so far:
<lots of on topic stuff>
Jigsaw: BLEH
Forged: BLEH
Jigsaw: BLEH!
Forged: BLEH!
Jigsaw: BLEH!!!1
Forged: BLEH!!!1
Theory: BLEHHHHHHHHHHH AMMERICA R SUK!1

Ok, that's about it

[quote author=Hitmen link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=75#msg62582 date=1085811551]
Thread summary so far:
<lots of on topic stuff>
Jigsaw: BLEH
Forged: BLEH
Jigsaw: BLEH!
Forged: BLEH!
Jigsaw: BLEH!!!1
Forged: BLEH!!!1
Theory: BLEHHHHHHHHHHH AMMERICA R SUK!1

Ok, that's about it
[/quote]

Well, it was getting somewhere, but then a lot of others jumped in and diverted the thread.

if you think all I was saying was bleh... then you better make damn sure you dont live in this country either. God damn you people you know, I get up everyday and on hte weekend I mow my lawn, say hi to my neighbors, go to community functions, pass by hte park and see kids play... I'll be damned if anyone ever makes another mass attack on this land again for sheer use of terror.

[quote author=jigsaw link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=75#msg62616 date=1085851378]
if you think all I was saying was bleh... then you better make damn sure you dont live in this country either. God damn you people you know, I get up everyday and on hte weekend I mow my lawn, say hi to my neighbors, go to community functions, pass by hte park and see kids play... I'll be damned if anyone ever makes another mass attack on this land again for sheer use of terror.
[/quote]

Yeah, see, you get up everyday, you mow your lawn, you say hi to your neighbors, you go to your community functions, you pass the park, you see kids play, and you don't expect an attack. Lucky you. Do you really deserve to live in this safe place? How come you live there, and not in Iraq or in the Gaza strip, where you'd be looking at patrolling soldiers instead of kids playing? Bless your lucky star.

[quote]I'll be damned if anyone ever makes another mass attack on this land again for sheer use of terror.[/quote]
Guess you will be damned then. when you fuck with terrorist and kill their famillys they get pissed and see even more reason to terroize you.

They brought it upon themselves by choosing to be terrorists in the first place.

[quote author=Falcon[anti-yL] link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=90#msg62648 date=1085857708]
They brought it upon themselves by choosing to be terrorists in the first place.
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And the US brought it on themselves by ignoring everybody who doesn't agree with them.

You guys are not getting the point. Stop defending them, from all except adron, and iago who are foreigners... You must back your country or else, what do you have? a vote? a voice? your vote obviosuly isnt the winning one.

[quote author=jigsaw link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=90#msg62664 date=1085860752]
You guys are not getting the point. Stop defending them, from all except adron, and iago who are foreigners... You must back your country or else, what do you have? a vote? a voice? your vote obviosuly isnt the winning one.
[/quote]

Just because more people think something's right, doesn't make it true -- the problem with democracy is that the person who wins isn't the best leader, it's the best bullshitter. This is as much a problem in Canada as the US and probably other countries.

"if you think all I was saying was bleh... then you better make damn sure you dont live in this country either. God damn you people you know, I get up everyday and on hte weekend I mow my lawn, say hi to my neighbors, go to community functions, pass by hte park and see kids play... I'll be damned if anyone ever makes another mass attack on this land again for sheer use of terror."


You think U.S Soilders were justified. heh U.S defeat will happen again.

[quote author=Theory link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=90#msg62668 date=1085862183]
You think U.S Soilders were justified. heh U.S defeat will happen again.
[/quote]
It's inevitable, but it probably won't be in any of our lifetimes.

All I am going to say is the US and jigsaw both have my support as far as this thread goes.

Other than what Adron, and some of what iago, :P, has said, I think a lot of you need to get a clue.

That's my 2cents, flame away.

*bump* for tuber, finally we see a stand-up american. its called a TEAM.

[quote]Stop defending them,[/quote]
I am not defending anyone. I am simplly pointing out that pissing off terrorist isn't the best way to stop terrorism.

We have all the right to piss them off after 9/11.

[quote author=Forged link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=90#msg62730 date=1085889268]
[quote]Stop defending them,[/quote]
I am not defending anyone. I am simplly pointing out that pissing off terrorist isn't the best way to stop terrorism.
[/quote]

Of course, neither is acquiescing to their desires every time there's a threat or demand.

[quote]We have all the right to piss them off after 9/11. [/quote]
You don't seem to understand what I am saying. I will try to explain it one more time.

If you Piss off a radical person willing to kill himself over stupid shit He will attack you. Expecially when you desicrate his religon and murder his family...

Rember the terrorist were not the ones who were worried about Sadam it was all the other people.

All we have to do to get the terrorist to leave us alone is to withdrawl from the middle east. If we leave Isreal and Saudi Arabia the fuck along we wouldn't have any problems.

[quote author=Forged link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=90#msg62733 date=1085890473]
[quote]We have all the right to piss them off after 9/11. [/quote]
You don't seem to understand what I am saying. I will try to explain it one more time.

If you Piss off a radical person willing to kill himself over stupid shit He will attack you. Expecially when you desicrate his religon and murder his family...

Rember the terrorist were not the ones who were worried about Sadam it was all the other people.

All we have to do to get the terrorist to leave us alone is to withdrawl from the middle east. If we leave Isreal and Saudi Arabia the fuck along we wouldn't have any problems.
[/quote]

I don't see how backing down from them and letting them win is a good solution. Terrorists are everywhere, including the USA. Terrorists are not classified by a specific race or religion. If you were to back down to one terrorist organization, another one somewhere else will think you will do the same for them. The war on terrorism is WWIII in my opinion. It is a new kind of war, but a serious one nonetheless.

[quote author=Tuberload link=board=35;threadid=6800;start=90#msg62757 date=1085906471]
I don't see how backing down from them and letting them win is a good solution. Terrorists are everywhere, including the USA. Terrorists are not classified by a specific race or religion. If you were to back down to one terrorist organization, another one somewhere else will think you will do the same for them. The war on terrorism is WWIII in my opinion. It is a new kind of war, but a serious one nonetheless.
[/quote]

In a way, you're right. However, I don't see it being a war you can reasonably win. As long as palestinians are living in misery, getting their innocent relatives shot dead by Israeli soldiers, there'll be a supply of people wanting revenge more than they value their own lives.

Now, assuming that there is an endless supply of new terrorists, can you ever win against terrorism?


The only way I can see of winning would be to cut off the supply, i.e. stop making people want revenge. And that would mean in some way giving in to their demands, fixing whatever is making them unhappy.