Hey wassupie.

im dan
from maryland
acc name on bnet ac_drkan
messages me to say hi

programming languages:
C <--currently taking a course
C++
HMTL
Java
Javascript
hmm....
MDSEV <---- not much experience with it

my website
www.thebnetbotsite.cjb.net

i modified a greet bot to send messages and to receieve them and to log everyone that joins the channel

What's MDSEV? (Do you mean MSDEV? That's not a language, it's an IDE...)

[quote author=AC_Drkan link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg47428 date=1078418681]
i modified a greet bot to send messages and to receieve them and to log everyone that joins the channel
[/quote]

If that's true, you already own about half of the bot developers on these forums. (Not sarcastically.)

yep i know all those languages.

spelling isn't my strong point.
all these classes plus some more are offered at my school :)
and im only 16
I also know some (alot of knowledge) of hmm... cannot say it here cause its illegal ;)

check out my website guys
www.thebnetbotsite.cjb.net

331 hits in the first 15 hours it was up!

Dan

[quote author=AC_Drkan link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg47674 date=1078503999]
yep i know all those languages.

spelling isn't my strong point.
all these classes plus some more are offered at my school :)
and im only 16
I also know some (alot of knowledge) of hmm... cannot say it here cause its illegal ;)

check out my website guys
www.thebnetbotsite.cjb.net

331 hits in the first 15 hours it was up!

Dan
[/quote]
Maybe it's time for some real hosting then?

Wish they had programming classes at the schools here. The only one they had was introduction to programming and it was QBasic.

[quote author=AC_Drkan link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg47428 date=1078418681]
programming languages:
C <--currently taking a course
C++
HMTL
[/quote]

A couple notes...

C++ is a superset of C. If you know C++, then you should already know all that you have to know about C. How you can know C++ without knowing C is beyond me.

HTML is a markup language, not a programming language. It can be manipulated programatically, but markup and programming are entirely different things.

[quote author=Myndfyre link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg51263 date=1080090162]
C++ is a superset of C. If you know C++, then you should already know all that you have to know about C. How you can know C++ without knowing C is beyond me.[/quote]
You can easily learn C++ without prior knowledge to C. I'm doing it right now.

[quote author=j0k3r link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg51274 date=1080091108]
[quote author=Myndfyre link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg51263 date=1080090162]
C++ is a superset of C. If you know C++, then you should already know all that you have to know about C. How you can know C++ without knowing C is beyond me.[/quote]
You can easily learn C++ without prior knowledge to C. I'm doing it right now.
[/quote]
I think he means once you've learned C++, you've already learned as much C as you need to.

Oh that makes sense now, I read it as though he was saying you have to know C to know C++ (like, prerequisite), gotta be careful with words I guess.

[quote author=j0k3r link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg47754 date=1078522424]
Maybe it's time for some real hosting then?[/quote]

www.liquidweb.com has some good hosting...

I have better hosting than that, I was saying HE needed better hosting.

hows it better? whats your has what 2 gigs of webspace for 4$ its prolly home ran to and not a legit company

No, it's a legit host who I've been with for over a year now. I don't have 2gigs of space, don't need nearly that much.

He dont need a new host, he needs a better design.. ew...

[quote author=Myndfyre link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg51263 date=1080090162]
C++ is a superset of C. If you know C++, then you should already know all that you have to know about C. How you can know C++ without knowing C is beyond me.
[/quote]

Not true at all...

[quote author=Mephisto link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg52056 date=1080402587]
[quote author=Myndfyre link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg51263 date=1080090162]
C++ is a superset of C. If you know C++, then you should already know all that you have to know about C. How you can know C++ without knowing C is beyond me.
[/quote]

Not true at all...
[/quote]

Joker and Hitmen seem to agree with me, Mephisto. Note that I said the C++ is a superset of C -- which means that there are components in C++ that are not in C, but all components in C are in C++.

Care to defend your position?

[quote author=Myndfyre link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=15#msg52058 date=1080403432]
[quote author=Mephisto link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg52056 date=1080402587]
[quote author=Myndfyre link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg51263 date=1080090162]
C++ is a superset of C. If you know C++, then you should already know all that you have to know about C. How you can know C++ without knowing C is beyond me.
[/quote]

Not true at all...
[/quote]

Joker and Hitmen seem to agree with me, Mephisto. Note that I said the C++ is a superset of C -- which means that there are components in C++ that are not in C, but all components in C are in C++.

Care to defend your position?
[/quote]
Whoa, I don't know enough to say something like that, I just said (or tried to say) they seemed similar and knowledge of one lends itself to the other.

[quote author=j0k3r link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=15#msg52065 date=1080408437]
[quote author=Myndfyre link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=15#msg52058 date=1080403432]
[quote author=Mephisto link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg52056 date=1080402587]
[quote author=Myndfyre link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg51263 date=1080090162]
C++ is a superset of C. If you know C++, then you should already know all that you have to know about C. How you can know C++ without knowing C is beyond me.
[/quote]

Not true at all...
[/quote]

Joker and Hitmen seem to agree with me, Mephisto. Note that I said the C++ is a superset of C -- which means that there are components in C++ that are not in C, but all components in C are in C++.

Care to defend your position?
[/quote]
Whoa, I don't know enough to say something like that, I just said (or tried to say) they seemed similar and knowledge of one lends itself to the other.
[/quote]

[me=Myndfyre]nudges j0k3r[/me]
[me=Myndfyre]whispers c'mon back me up![/me]

Hah Myndfyre, ok. He seems to be right in that most (if not all) of the components in C are in C++.

Maybe not all you have to know though, for instance what to do in a certain case where you'd use a C++-only bit of code for a C project.

There are several libraries and functions native to C that are not part of C++. Additionally, things such as structures and unions are not part of C++, and the C and C++ paradigms are different. I learned C++, and the concepts of them, and then went back to C and learned some useful things that C++ didn't teach/have. So it's not necessarily the best thing to say that if you learn C++ you know all that you need to know about C.

[quote author=Mephisto link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=15#msg52292 date=1080521383]
Additionally, things such as structures and unions are not part of C++, and the C and C++ paradigms are different.[/quote]

Really? You want to re-think that? I wonder how IP addresses for IPv4 and IPv6 are stored in the MFC classes... perhaps unions...

[quote author=Myndfyre link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=15#msg52328 date=1080530433]
[quote author=Mephisto link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=15#msg52292 date=1080521383]
Additionally, things such as structures and unions are not part of C++, and the C and C++ paradigms are different.[/quote]

Really? You want to re-think that? I wonder how IP addresses for IPv4 and IPv6 are stored in the MFC classes... perhaps unions...
[/quote]

Hmm...I guess I was mistaken after doing some research on the subject. I was never taught unions in C++ and when I learned unions it was in C. Thanks Myndfyre, I learned something new. :) Though I've never had need to use a union in C++, let alone C before when I had structures and classes avaliable to me.

[quote author=GoSuGaMING link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg51363 date=1080130696]
[quote author=j0k3r link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=0#msg47754 date=1078522424]
Maybe it's time for some real hosting then?[/quote]

www.liquidweb.com has some good hosting...
[/quote]

Why are you getting so defensive (another post)? I'm assuming this is your host/possibly your company? Anyway, the site took well over 10 seconds to load so that would give me the impression that they're not that fast, regardless of if it was caused by me/my isp/etc. Not that it matters since I have a host that I'm happy with. :P

I haven't been paying any attention to this forum, but I thought I'd post here: I learned C++ before I learned C, and they were quite different.

First of all, C uses printf() and C++ uses cout, in general. If you're learning printf(), you're learning C, not C++.

Also, you don't need pointers in c++ - I did a course in it and we never touched pointers, only references parameters.

C++ programmers try this:
for(int i = 0.....
C programmers don't:
int i;
...
for(i = 0....

C++ programmers do:
struct a
{
.....}
C programmers:
typedef struct {
.....} a;


I know you CAN do C stuff in C++, but in general you don't. So learning C IS a different experience.



And back to the original topic - my browser hates something about your website, so it won't load :/

[quote author=iago link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=15#msg52651 date=1080667542]
I haven't been paying any attention to this forum, but I thought I'd post here: I learned C++ before I learned C, and they were quite different.

First of all, C uses printf() and C++ uses cout, in general. If you're learning printf(), you're learning C, not C++.

Also, you don't need pointers in c++ - I did a course in it and we never touched pointers, only references parameters.

C++ programmers try this:
for(int i = 0.....
C programmers don't:
int i;
...
for(i = 0....

C++ programmers do:
struct a
{
.....}
C programmers:
typedef struct {
.....} a;

I know you CAN do C stuff in C++, but in general you don't. So learning C IS a different experience.

And back to the original topic - my browser hates something about your website, so it won't load :/
[/quote]

The differences in struct declaration between C and C++ are a result of the OOP-ability of C++, although you can indeed declare a C++ structure the way you do in C.

In my C for Dummies book, pointers were covered in chapter 5, well before references. I'm not sure why you wouldn't use them, :\

As far as the int situation goes, the additional reason that C++ programmers can go:

[code]
for (int i = 0; i < strLen; i++) {
//...
}
[/code]
is that as part of the additions to C in C++, the int declaration in for loops leaves scope, so that you can declare "int i" multiple times through the same scope. A C++ programmer is still free to say "int i; for (i = 0; ..." though.

a couple words.

DANG HOLY CRAP

never saw that many posts lol

[quote author=Myndfyre link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=15#msg54142 date=1081474006]
is that as part of the additions to C in C++, the int declaration in for loops leaves scope, so that you can declare "int i" multiple times through the same scope. A C++ programmer is still free to say "int i; for (i = 0; ..." though.
[/quote]
I'm not sure it's a difference between C and C++ or not. What I know is that different compilers implement this differently, and that's annoying for compiler-portability. I don't keep track of what's the standard anymore, I just always declare variables outside the for now.

[quote author=Yoni link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=15#msg55784 date=1082367271]
[quote author=Myndfyre link=board=21;threadid=5592;start=15#msg54142 date=1081474006]
is that as part of the additions to C in C++, the int declaration in for loops leaves scope, so that you can declare "int i" multiple times through the same scope. A C++ programmer is still free to say "int i; for (i = 0; ..." though.
[/quote]
I'm not sure it's a difference between C and C++ or not. What I know is that different compilers implement this differently, and that's annoying for compiler-portability. I don't keep track of what's the standard anymore, I just always declare variables outside the for now.
[/quote]

I think the current C++ standard is to limit the scope to the for loop, but that the original C++ didn't.

Also, the biggest difference between C and C++ when it comes to variable declarations is that in C, you may only declare variables at the beginning of a scope. There's probably a better way of saying that since any variable's scope will start where it's declared... Basically though, if you want to declare more variables partway down a function in C, you need to add some { } to create a scope for them.

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no free domains though

i am about to switch to www.1and1.com