just wondering how many of you are actually in school, or are looking into going for web development.

[quote author=l)ragon link=topic=17953.msg182738#msg182738 date=1242245194]
just wondering how many of you are actually in school, or are looking into going for web development.
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I finished school already and have worked in web development for 2 years and 8 months.

[quote author=l)ragon link=topic=17953.msg182738#msg182738 date=1242245194]
just wondering how many of you are actually in school, or are looking into going for web development.
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I dropped out twice. Web development is still an interest of mine though.

school for web development? get a real degree

[quote author=pianka link=topic=17953.msg182741#msg182741 date=1242309149]
school for web development? get a real degree
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No one stated that they went to school for web development..

[quote author=pianka link=topic=17953.msg182741#msg182741 date=1242309149]
school for web development? get a real degree
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What's a real degree? One that helps you get a job? Have you ever had a job?

[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17953.msg182742#msg182742 date=1242319125]
No one stated that they went to school for web development..
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[quote author=l)ragon link=topic=17953.msg182738#msg182738 date=1242245194]
just wondering how many of you are actually in school, or are looking into going for web development.
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The first part of the sentence states the subject is going to school.  The second part of the sentence uses the preposition "for" followed by "web development"; this means he's asking if anyone is going to or "looking into" getting a degree in web development.

[quote author=bulletproof tiger link=topic=17953.msg182743#msg182743 date=1242330503]
What's a real degree? One that helps you get a job? Have you ever had a job?
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Yes, I'm at work right now.

Anywho, my point is that "going to school for web development" is a waste of time.  If you have any technical prowess, it would be a much better idea to get a degree in something like Computer Science or Electrical Computer Engineering.  These are real degrees.

Also, don't be so defensive.  Unless you're wasting your time studying only web development then I'm not really insulting you...and if you are well then I don't really care what you have to say.

[quote author=MyndFyre link=topic=17953.msg182739#msg182739 date=1242245917]
[quote author=l)ragon link=topic=17953.msg182738#msg182738 date=1242245194]
just wondering how many of you are actually in school, or are looking into going for web development.
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I finished school already and have worked in web development for 2 years and 8 months.
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Staying off the so called real degree for the moment....

How extensive did they get into ASP.Net when you went through?

[quote author=pianka link=topic=17953.msg182744#msg182744 date=1242334760]
[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17953.msg182742#msg182742 date=1242319125]
No one stated that they went to school for web development..
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[quote author=l)ragon link=topic=17953.msg182738#msg182738 date=1242245194]
just wondering how many of you are actually in school, or are looking into going for web development.
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The first part of the sentence states the subject is going to school.  The second part of the sentence uses the preposition "for" followed by "web development"; this means he's asking if anyone is going to or "looking into" getting a degree in web development.

[quote author=bulletproof tiger link=topic=17953.msg182743#msg182743 date=1242330503]
What's a real degree? One that helps you get a job? Have you ever had a job?
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Yes, I'm at work right now.

Anywho, my point is that "going to school for web development" is a waste of time.  If you have any technical prowess, it would be a much better idea to get a degree in something like Computer Science or Electrical Computer Engineering.  These are real degrees.

Also, don't be so defensive.  Unless you're wasting your time studying only web development then I'm not really insulting you...and if you are well then I don't really care what you have to say.
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I think it may be tough to go to school just for web develppment. I'd think you'd have to take something like computer science or an IT degree, anyways.

[quote author=l)ragon link=topic=17953.msg182745#msg182745 date=1242339285]
How extensive did they get into ASP.Net when you went through?
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They didn't; the ASU program is primarily Java-based.  But regardless, my degrees are in political science and psychology.

[quote author=MyndFyre link=topic=17953.msg182747#msg182747 date=1242361376]
[quote author=l)ragon link=topic=17953.msg182745#msg182745 date=1242339285]
How extensive did they get into ASP.Net when you went through?
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They didn't; the ASU program is primarily Java-based.  But regardless, my degrees are in political science and psychology.
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I asume it pays well. Since that is your job.. do you like what your doing?, or sopose i should say, can you see yourself doing this untill retirement.

[quote author=l)ragon link=topic=17953.msg182752#msg182752 date=1242426754]
I asume it pays well. Since that is your job.. do you like what your doing?, or sopose i should say, can you see yourself doing this untill retirement.
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I enjoy what I'm doing.  I'm thinking of looking into consulting, but in a way that would still be flexing my technical chops.

Can I see myself doing it until retirement?  Probably not.  I'd probably move into something like teaching first.  I just don't see it being interesting in perpetuity.  But like so many things - it's hard to see ANYTHING being interesting in perpetuity.

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[quote author=l)ragon link=topic=17953.msg182738#msg182738 date=1242245194]
just wondering how many of you are actually in school, or are looking into going for web development.
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I dropped out twice. Web development is still an interest of mine though.
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There is so much fail behind this.

I find it pointless to go to school for something a Computer can do better than you at; Math, Science, English.
I'm sure Web Development and anything Program related will eventually be unnecessary on mainstream levels. The only practicality many of these jobs have are in education.

Degrees in Philosophy, Law, Psychology, and Medicine will be around for a long time. They all require abstract judgment...something that cannot be manipulated by a computer.

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[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17953.msg182740#msg182740 date=1242255269]
[quote author=l)ragon link=topic=17953.msg182738#msg182738 date=1242245194]
just wondering how many of you are actually in school, or are looking into going for web development.
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I dropped out twice. Web development is still an interest of mine though.
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There is so much fail behind this.

I find it pointless to go to school for something a Computer can do better than you at; Math, Science, English.
I'm sure Web Development and anything Program related will eventually be unnecessary on mainstream levels. The only practicality many of these jobs have are in education.

Degrees in Philosophy, Law, Psychology, and Medicine will be around for a long time. They all require abstract judgment...something that cannot be manipulated by a computer.
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You have poor choice of words, you make it sound like you want to live an amish life.
Sure medicine and law enforcement will be around, so will technology and the people behind that.
As for practicality there is allways freelance work no mater how you look at it, and the more you do, the more likely your to be noticed by somone that might take interest in your work.

Ishbar:You're wrong. We will always need people writing code and performing certain calculations. One day, machines can be replacing doctors, you can't just say that it will ALWAYS be people who need to fill those positions. Stop pretending that you know what the future will be like.

[quote author=Ishbar link=topic=17953.msg182765#msg182765 date=1242502268]
There is so much fail behind this.

I find it pointless to go to school for something a Computer can do better than you at; Math, Science, ...[/quote]
Sorry for ot, but I litterly just peed my self.
Unless you're talking AI (then that would contradict you're next statment), you're forgetting computers are little more than tool's.
With out scientific and mathmatic input from human's, computers would be useless and would not exist.
I'm sure somone, somwhere, once said the same thing about math's and calculators -- I'm sure it was the cause of much pant peeing.
You're logic is undesirable.

It should also be noted that not learning something because it can be done by a computer is utterly inane (no, not insane).  If nobody learned basic math because we have calculators, many years from now we may lose the technology to complete such tasks (whether by war or other means) and nobody will know the foundations of our gathered knowledge.  In this end, we will have regressed so much that all of human effort until that point would basically have been a waste.

Edit: not to mention we're still making advances in all of these subjects

Until computers (rather; robots) can walk, talk, document, study, and learn on their own.. they will not be replacing humans any time soon in regards to science.  We humans use computers as a tool, not as a substitute.  Wherever there is computers, there will always be technicians, programmers, engineers, consultants, and the list goes on.  Even when internet is in our brains (literally, it's not if... it is when) we will still need people getting education for the very basics of math, science, english, etc.  The only difference is that you will most likely be learning more inside your own head (on the internet, like a virtual classroom maybe? who knows!) rather than in a classroom.  Even so, hands-on education will probably still be more effective.

Don't take everything I say here too seriously, as it is my own opinion on the many possibilities of the future.

[quote author=RiffRiot link=topic=17953.msg182783#msg182783 date=1242674148]
Until computers (rather; robots) can walk, talk, document, study, and learn on their own.. they will not be replacing humans any time soon in regards to science.  We humans use computers as a tool, not as a substitute.  Wherever there is computers, there will always be technicians, programmers, engineers, consultants, and the list goes on.  Even when internet is in our brains (literally, it's not if... it is when) we will still need people getting education for the very basics of math, science, english, etc.  The only difference is that you will most likely be learning more inside your own head (on the internet, like a virtual classroom maybe? who knows!) rather than in a classroom.  Even so, hands-on education will probably still be more effective.

Don't take everything I say here too seriously, as it is my own opinion on the many possibilities of the future.
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Truth.  The only thing that really comes to mind about this whole thread is Wolfram Alpha.  I'm sure many of you have been following this project.  Despite the fact that it needs a new name, I think we will all be experiencing the internet in a much different fashion when it's fully up and running.

[quote author=RiffRiot link=topic=17953.msg182783#msg182783 date=1242674148]
Until computers (rather; robots) can walk, talk, document, study, and learn on their own.. they will not be replacing humans any time soon in regards to science.  We humans use computers as a tool, not as a substitute.  Wherever there is computers, there will always be technicians, programmers, engineers, consultants, and the list goes on.  Even when internet is in our brains (literally, it's not if... it is when) we will still need people getting education for the very basics of math, science, english, etc.  The only difference is that you will most likely be learning more inside your own head (on the internet, like a virtual classroom maybe? who knows!) rather than in a classroom.  Even so, hands-on education will probably still be more effective.

Don't take everything I say here too seriously, as it is my own opinion on the many possibilities of the future.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE4DnQ5GlTc

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/03/11/2009-03-11_saya_japans_robot_teacher_can_smile_and_-2.html

[quote author=l)ragon link=topic=17953.msg182785#msg182785 date=1242714716]
[quote author=RiffRiot link=topic=17953.msg182783#msg182783 date=1242674148]
Until computers (rather; robots) can walk, talk, document, study, and learn on their own.. they will not be replacing humans any time soon in regards to science.  We humans use computers as a tool, not as a substitute.  Wherever there is computers, there will always be technicians, programmers, engineers, consultants, and the list goes on.  Even when internet is in our brains (literally, it's not if... it is when) we will still need people getting education for the very basics of math, science, english, etc.  The only difference is that you will most likely be learning more inside your own head (on the internet, like a virtual classroom maybe? who knows!) rather than in a classroom.  Even so, hands-on education will probably still be more effective.

Don't take everything I say here too seriously, as it is my own opinion on the many possibilities of the future.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE4DnQ5GlTc

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/03/11/2009-03-11_saya_japans_robot_teacher_can_smile_and_-2.html
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I remember when that Japanese robot that looked identical to a Japanese girl tripped and fell down some stairs..

[quote author=l)ragon link=topic=17953.msg182785#msg182785 date=1242714716]
[quote author=RiffRiot link=topic=17953.msg182783#msg182783 date=1242674148]
Until computers (rather; robots) can walk, talk, document, study, and learn on their own.. they will not be replacing humans any time soon in regards to science.  We humans use computers as a tool, not as a substitute.  Wherever there is computers, there will always be technicians, programmers, engineers, consultants, and the list goes on.  Even when internet is in our brains (literally, it's not if... it is when) we will still need people getting education for the very basics of math, science, english, etc.  The only difference is that you will most likely be learning more inside your own head (on the internet, like a virtual classroom maybe? who knows!) rather than in a classroom.  Even so, hands-on education will probably still be more effective.

Don't take everything I say here too seriously, as it is my own opinion on the many possibilities of the future.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE4DnQ5GlTc

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/03/11/2009-03-11_saya_japans_robot_teacher_can_smile_and_-2.html
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Although they have made phenomenal leaps and bounds with human-like robots, they have still got a long way to go before robots can take a role similar to a university instructor or scientist out in the field discovering new advancements.  I have seen that Japanese robot on TV before but not that exact video clip.  It still amazes me how far they have come.  :)