Starcraft isn't the same with you guys :( and any updates on whether or not you guys wil lbe updating BNLS for battle.net V2 if possible ?

[quote author=:+:Sea!:+: link=topic=17539.msg178660#msg178660 date=1214448371]
Starcraft isn't the same with you guys :( and any updates on whether or not you guys wil lbe updating BNLS for battle.net V2 if possible ?
[/quote]
Indeed it isn't the same *with* them.

without sorry... :( I am tired

Were all coming back soon, hang in there little seal *(wonders who that is)*
[me=Hostile]is superly drunk and on teh internet in the far east[/me]

[me=Hostile]just realized his avatar was a panda and stereotypically represents the asian culture via the movie kung fu panda lmfao[/me]

I'm actually here, just less frequently. Though I don't get on Battle.net anymore. Same with Spht and Skywing (haven't heard from Grok for a while though).

Nah @ BNLS. We have more interesting projects now :)

Haha @ Hostile

Spht is seen once in awhile in a channel and his ClanGnome still roams Battle.net.

[quote author=Yoni link=topic=17539.msg179155#msg179155 date=1217679931]
Nah @ BNLS. We have more interesting projects now :)
[/quote]

like what?

I personally am working on an app for a GPS-integrated smartphone application that will be sold to popular tavel destinations.  We're doing the functional discovery in the next week or so :)

I develop drill tubing inspection software/hardware for use on oilfields.  i'm also in the process of starting up a local self-storage business

I'm a Marketing Director for a high-tech communications company working on our new products trademark development and global branding.

If BNLS was the project of interest, the programmers in vL would develop it further and I would be the one to entice you to pay a monthly fee for using it.  ;)

Since this is turning into the "what am I doing now" thread:

I'm living in my mothers basement.

I'm running the flag back in Warsong Gulch.

[quote author=Invert link=topic=17539.msg179174#msg179174 date=1217839454]
If BNLS was the project of interest, the programmers in vL would develop it further and I would be the one to entice you to pay a monthly fee for using it.  ;)
[/quote]

You may be onto something there.

No one's gonna pay for BNLS when local hashing and JBLS both work. Maybe try when SC2/D3 are out.

[quote author=Andy link=topic=17539.msg179180#msg179180 date=1217877527]
No one's gonna pay for BNLS when local hashing and JBLS both work. Maybe try when SC2/D3 are out.
[/quote]

I figured they were talking about SC2/D3 silly :)

They = me, and it was a joke.

Warrior, did you make it or did you drop the flag?

Dropped :(.

It is interesting to see where we've all ended up, but attempting to observe myself writing this, I think I say this every time I make a random annual visit... and as years have passed since I felt Battle.net "died," it's nice to know how things are going with some of the people I used to talk to.  After all, we are all humans!

I'm playing World of WarCraft, or as you called it, "Battle.net v2". :)

As some point in time people are reminded by what once was. Then it crosses their minds for a second for a minute for a few hours depending on the amount of impact it has caused. I still idle my bots on battle.net for no purpose except to idle. So sometimes when i come home every few weeks or so i check on bnet and then i might talk to someone or leave someone a random botmail but its still a bit weird when someone messages me on an instant messenger asking me if battle.net is still alive.

People grow up and move onto other things that are of interest to them. I can say for myself battle.net was a fun place to play with. As well as the games were fun to corrupt. I can say without question battle.net isn't the same anymore even if a lot of people come back it still won't seem the same.

Although i do look forward to people coming back when diablo 3 and starcraft 2 are released. Most people though have lost their old names which sucks but names don't matter its the person behind them.

Even though people may come back to for those two games, I doubt it will be for long and it will probably be just for the sake of playing the game for a short period of time just for the sake of playing it. Battle.net's just been something that's been "used up", for lack of a better phrase. It's still alive somewhat, there's still people on here writing code for it. I keep up with their progress now and then -- it's fun to see where things are going.

This thread is so nostalgic, it makes me want to download some bots again.  Well, not really, bnet has sucked for a pretty long time...

Can't wait for d3 and sc2, though.  Maybe bnet will have something of a renaissance then.  For now I wish I could play some WoW but I'm stuck on dial-up in Australia until the 22nd.  Oh well...

Blizzard mentioned that they are going to re-work battle.net for the new games. This might be a good thing or not.

How can it not be a good thing? Battle.net is nice in the sense of memories as many people have more or less brought up but as for its actual architecture and design well... it definitly competed with AOL 3.0 back in the day.. lols

The most obvious solutions seem to make all legacy battle.net games (those that have came out up until now) to be decentralized like they did with Diablo and public rooms, or to tag all names like they did with Warcraft3, which would certainly prove a lame solution if they hope to utilize battle.net for both D3 and SC2. I dont they'll repeat the cheap fixes of the past, but given you can't change the old CD key system, they limit how nice they can be to the old games once those come out.

I heard from an inside source that it's still being debated whether or not sc2/d3 are going to be on the same network as the others. i hope that's just them trying to confuse people though ;p

Battle.net is due for an upgrade.  i imagine they'll try and focus new battle.net towards e-sports/tournaments and all ladder/stats integrated with the websites, kind of like world of warcraft

Looking forward to sc2 myself, not so much d3.  heard it'll have nice matchmaking system, and hopefully will be more reliable way to keep in contact with several friends rather than clans or the limited friends list

[quote author=Spht link=topic=17539.msg179290#msg179290 date=1218518515]
Battle.net is due for an upgrade.  i imagine they'll try and focus new battle.net towards e-sports/tournaments and all ladder/stats integrated with the websites, kind of like world of warcraft
[/quote]
They can do all of that through the existing infrastructure though, without too much additional work.

I doubt when they say they're going to be making an "improved" Battle.net, they're talking about the protocol. Nearly all users will only ever see end interface/features, which is what they'll be focusing on. Voice chat, new commands and buttons, maybe some features bots have implemented already?

b.net will be same exact thing, just new features for sc2/d3... they said they had a new improved battle.net when war3 came out ..... same thing. i'm pretty sure they mean the gui and how it all looks and interacts with users (everyday people who dont care/know nothing about the actual protocol/system will consider it a 'new improved battle.net').  voice chat is guaranteed to just be in game...do you know how abusive that would be and how corrupt it would mess up if ppl can broadcast whatever they want over battle.net channels via voice?  i dont think that's gonna happen cuz they dont want to get sued with a 13 year old playing his brand new sc2 hears some 15 year old call him a "fucking crackhead noobie" and the mother hears it outta the speakers .... voice chat in game only it would seem like, peer to peer where b.net isn't liable at all for that kinda stuff.

no they're not talking about the protocol, that'd be stupid and so much work to rewrite it all to have a newer improved thing for 2 games when they already have like 10 others to worry about, just a thought

That's pretty much exactly what I just said...

[quote author=UserLoser link=topic=17539.msg179296#msg179296 date=1218589899]
b.net will be same exact thing, just new features for sc2/d3... they said they had a new improved battle.net when war3 came out ..... same thing. i'm pretty sure they mean the gui and how it all looks and interacts with users (everyday people who dont care/know nothing about the actual protocol/system will consider it a 'new improved battle.net').  voice chat is guaranteed to just be in game...do you know how abusive that would be and how corrupt it would mess up if ppl can broadcast whatever they want over battle.net channels via voice?  i dont think that's gonna happen cuz they dont want to get sued with a 13 year old playing his brand new sc2 hears some 15 year old call him a "fucking crackhead noobie" and the mother hears it outta the speakers .... voice chat in game only it would seem like, peer to peer where b.net isn't liable at all for that kinda stuff.

no they're not talking about the protocol, that'd be stupid and so much work to rewrite it all to have a newer improved thing for 2 games when they already have like 10 others to worry about, just a thought
[/quote]

Voice Chat would probably be as limited as it is on WoW. Moderators would be able to mute people, and only like three people could speak at once or something.

It'd probably also be in game only.

[quote author=Andy link=topic=17539.msg179297#msg179297 date=1218591113]
That's pretty much exactly what I just said...
[/quote]

yeah, i know.  whats your point?

None of you have said anything interesting after my post. Your guesses are boring.

Now, how about something like providing a special mouse with SC2 that shocks your hand when you lose a command center? This would be a great b.net update.  ;)

I honestly doubt much will change, sure some matchmaking to keep the masses quiet but overall it will be largely the same protocol wise.

Still, it may spark life back into Battle.net which is always a good thing. If I'm not completely sucked into WoTLK then I'll give SC2 a go.

[quote author=Hostile link=topic=17539.msg179287#msg179287 date=1218514853]
How can it not be a good thing? Battle.net is nice in the sense of memories as many people have more or less brought up but as for its actual architecture and design well... it definitly competed with AOL 3.0 back in the day.. lols

The most obvious solutions seem to make all legacy battle.net games (those that have came out up until now) to be decentralized like they did with Diablo and public rooms, or to tag all names like they did with Warcraft3, which would certainly prove a lame solution if they hope to utilize battle.net for both D3 and SC2. I dont they'll repeat the cheap fixes of the past, but given you can't change the old CD key system, they limit how nice they can be to the old games once those come out.
[/quote]

I'm still mad they got rid of Ladder.  And I had even quit SC at that point.

[quote author=Invert]Now, how about something like providing a special mouse with SC2 that shocks your hand when you lose a command center? This would be a great b.net update.  Wink[/quote]

Or how about repositioning your tower so the fan blasted you with warm in when a nuke went off?

[quote author=Invert link=topic=17539.msg179305#msg179305 date=1218611554]
None of you have said anything interesting after my post. Your guesses are boring.

Now, how about something like providing a special mouse with SC2 that shocks your hand when you lose a command center? This would be a great b.net update.  ;)
[/quote]

What, like a rumble pack?  yeah...that's a great idea...

lols but how do i plug it in my mouse?
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7a/N64RumblePak.jpg/250px-N64RumblePak.jpg[/img]

omfg wait!!!! unless were gonna play starcraft 2 with nintendo 64 controllers!!!! holy shit............. thats a friggin awesome idea that wont suck at all!!!!!!!!


oh wait..
[img]http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/all/boxshots2/198791_28030.jpg[/img]

fuck haha

[quote author=Spht link=topic=17539.msg179310#msg179310 date=1218642381]
What, like a rumble pack?  yeah...that's a great idea...
[/quote]

No! Like real electricity going through your hand followed by real pain.

rumble pack...pffft.

Shock treatment! 9/10 early 20th century doctors agree it does something!

[quote author=Andy link=topic=17539.msg179322#msg179322 date=1218699657]
Shock treatment! 9/10 early 20th century doctors agree it does something!
[/quote]

I'm not a doctor and I can prove to you that it does "something." All you need is 2 paper clips and an electric wall socket.

Nothing makes a good starcraft player better than aversion therapy.

i feel like we should all get together and watch the breakfast club or something. jesus christ this thread is drippy.

So BNLS is not going to be updated, hmmm.. Ohwell, there's always JBLS and Hashing, =P. Of course i'll be here for SC2 an D3, heh.

Anyway, hai everyone. SC2 and D3 are most likely going to have their own namespaces, yes.

well, I wonder how long it'll be.. before we can get sc2 or d3 on a bot, probley never happen...

[quote author=MyStiCaL link=topic=17539.msg179396#msg179396 date=1219275647]
well, I wonder how long it'll be.. before we can get sc2 or d3 on a bot, probley never happen...
[/quote]

Maybe we should get the actual game before we start talking doom-and-gloom...

[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=17539.msg179400#msg179400 date=1219283343]

Maybe we should get the actual game before we start talking doom-and-gloom...
[/quote]
[me=Hostile]shakes his head..[/me]

You don't know the internet at all, do you? :P

Worst case scenarios ftw!

Honestly, I doubt they're gonna bother making an entirely new connection system for two new games. War3's system seems sufficient, doesn't it?

[quote author=MyStiCaL link=topic=17539.msg179396#msg179396 date=1219275647]
well, I wonder how long it'll be.. before we can get sc2 or d3 on a bot, probley never happen... [/quote]

Of course it'll happen. They'll both be used on Battle.net, making it possible. Blizzard has already said Chat Bots are legal, yet unsupported, so there's nothing stopping you.

[quote author=Sixen link=topic=17539.msg179407#msg179407 date=1219289049]
Of course it'll happen. They'll both be used on Battle.net, making it possible. Blizzard has already said Chat Bots are legal, yet unsupported, so there's nothing stopping you.
[/quote]

Let's not hurt ourselves thinking, we will take this one step at a time.

1. Blizzard said that they will make changes to battle.net. We don't know what those changes will be or how will the new games work as part of the battle.net system.

2. Blizzards legal "Chat Bots" are not the same thing as a game emulating program which allows you to chat on battle.net.

3. A horse is a horse, of course, of course, And no one can talk to a horse of course That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mister Ed.

Well, im just saying we don't have all the good developers like we use to.

skywing, maddox, yoni, theministerd, arta... might not have the time like they did when war3 came out.

believe it or not i bet half this forum will probley be waiting for iago or rob to come up with somthing. :[

[quote author=MyStiCaL link=topic=17539.msg179396#msg179396 date=1219275647]
well, I wonder how long it'll be.. before we can get sc2 or d3 on a bot, probley never happen...


[/quote]

As soon as:
a) Somebody buys me a new computer, and
b) I get bored.

:)

[quote author=MyStiCaL link=topic=17539.msg179429#msg179429 date=1219307252]
believe it or not i bet half this forum will probley be waiting for iago or rob to come up with somthing. :[
[/quote]

You're not that half, right? :-P
It's not like people haven't already filled their places.

[quote author=MyStiCaL link=topic=17539.msg179429#msg179429 date=1219307252]

Well, im just saying we don't have all the good developers like we use to.

skywing, maddox, yoni, theministerd, arta... might not have the time like they did when war3 came out.

believe it or not i bet half this forum will probley be waiting for iago or rob to come up with somthing. :[
[/quote]

i plan on writing a bot for fun when these games come out...

Why doesn't vL let someone else manage BNLS for them? Someone willing to update it on a frequent bases.

From dii.net
[quote]
When D3 comes out, Blizzard will be making major changes to battle.net. All players will have a universal battle.net account for all games. They will start selling a $6 key chain with a digital face that updates every 10 minutes or so with a new 11-digit number. That 11-digit number will be your password. This will make it nearly impossible to keylog or bruteforce accounts.
[/quote]
I don't see the point of it really since brute forcing is completely useless.

[quote author=PunK link=topic=17539.msg179437#msg179437 date=1219345318]
Why doesn't vL let someone else manage BNLS for them? Someone willing to update it on a frequent bases.
[/quote]

That would be a great idea... or someone fix BNCSutil.dll actually both would be nice. :P

[quote author=MyStiCaL link=topic=17539.msg179438#msg179438 date=1219345538]
[quote author=PunK link=topic=17539.msg179437#msg179437 date=1219345318]
Why doesn't vL let someone else manage BNLS for them? Someone willing to update it on a frequent bases.
[/quote]

That would be a great idea... or someone fix BNCSutil.dll actually both would be nice. :P

[/quote]

I was thinking of making a small daemon that handles connections like BNLS. I wouldn't want to spend much time on it so I'd probably have the daemon use BNCSUtil and Andy's Warden library to handle peoples warden requests. Only issue would be that people would have to keep the connection to the BNLS server to send/receive the handled warden responses.

[quote author=PunK link=topic=17539.msg179439#msg179439 date=1219345890]
[quote author=MyStiCaL link=topic=17539.msg179438#msg179438 date=1219345538]
[quote author=PunK link=topic=17539.msg179437#msg179437 date=1219345318]
Why doesn't vL let someone else manage BNLS for them? Someone willing to update it on a frequent bases.
[/quote]

That would be a great idea... or someone fix BNCSutil.dll actually both would be nice. :P

[/quote]

I was thinking of making a small daemon that handles connections like BNLS. I wouldn't want to spend much time on it so I'd probably have the daemon use BNCSUtil and Andy's Warden library to handle peoples warden requests. Only issue would be that people would have to keep the connection to the BNLS server to send/receive the handled warden responses.
[/quote]

Well then you'd have 2 connections, from 2 differnt servers.. not sucha good idea. hmm. warden isn't a big deal, build that into ur bot. or create a library to handle it

Yeah, that's the only down side. I guess a new updated BNLS server would be useful though.

[quote author=Invert link=topic=17539.msg179424#msg179424 date=1219302941]
Let's not hurt ourselves thinking, we will take this one step at a time.

1. Blizzard said that they will make changes to battle.net. We don't know what those changes will be or how will the new games work as part of the battle.net system.

2. Blizzards legal "Chat Bots" are not the same thing as a game emulating program which allows you to chat on battle.net.

3. A horse is a horse, of course, of course, And no one can talk to a horse of course That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mister Ed.[/quote]

True, however they know people have emulated the game to login. In fact, Mike Morhaime suggested people helping in then Open Tech Channel to move from CHAT to D1 or another CDKey-less client. Anyway, they have stated that as long as you don't violate the ToU by spamming, harassing others, etc, etc, you will be fine.

[quote author=PunK link=topic=17539.msg179437#msg179437 date=1219345318]
Why doesn't vL let someone else manage BNLS for them? Someone willing to update it on a frequent bases.

From dii.net
[quote]
When D3 comes out, Blizzard will be making major changes to battle.net. All players will have a universal battle.net account for all games. They will start selling a $6 key chain with a digital face that updates every 10 minutes or so with a new 11-digit number. That 11-digit number will be your password. This will make it nearly impossible to keylog or bruteforce accounts.
[/quote]
I don't see the point of it really since brute forcing is completely useless.
[/quote]

Yeah, that's completely speculation right now. However, they've already started to do something like this. The new expansion, WotLK, requires a Blizzard Account. That being said, the WoW forums will require a Blizzard account. The current account also allows you to register the different Battle.net games, so Battle.net 2.0 and the new Battle.net Forums will probably require a Blizzard Account as well. All of that being said, I believe it should just be on large forum since they both require a Blizzard Account. The account will probably be linked to everything Blizzard, hence the name Blizzard Account instead of Bnet account, etc, etc.

They've already started selling authenticators that act somewhat like that. They currently just have a security token that you can link to your WoW account. While all of this has happened, it's still all speculation...

[quote author=PunK link=topic=17539.msg179443#msg179443 date=1219346851]
Yeah, that's the only down side. I guess a new updated BNLS server would be useful though.
[/quote]

Agreed.

Well I guess I'll get started on a new log in service.

[quote author=Sixen link=topic=17539.msg179445#msg179445 date=1219359226]
Yeah, that's completely speculation right now. However, they've already started to do something like this. The new expansion, WotLK, requires a Blizzard Account. That being said, the WoW forums will require a Blizzard account. The current account also allows you to register the different Battle.net games, so Battle.net 2.0 and the new Battle.net Forums will probably require a Blizzard Account as well. All of that being said, I believe it should just be on large forum since they both require a Blizzard Account. The account will probably be linked to everything Blizzard, hence the name Blizzard Account instead of Bnet account, etc, etc.[/quote]
WotLK requires a "temporary Blizzard account" and isn't necessarily integrated into the rest of their products.  My WotLK account is separate, for instance, from my Blizzard Store account.

[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=17539.msg179451#msg179451 date=1219392390]
[quote author=Sixen link=topic=17539.msg179445#msg179445 date=1219359226]
Yeah, that's completely speculation right now. However, they've already started to do something like this. The new expansion, WotLK, requires a Blizzard Account. That being said, the WoW forums will require a Blizzard account. The current account also allows you to register the different Battle.net games, so Battle.net 2.0 and the new Battle.net Forums will probably require a Blizzard Account as well. All of that being said, I believe it should just be on large forum since they both require a Blizzard Account. The account will probably be linked to everything Blizzard, hence the name Blizzard Account instead of Bnet account, etc, etc.[/quote]
WotLK requires a "temporary Blizzard account" and isn't necessarily integrated into the rest of their products.  My WotLK account is separate, for instance, from my Blizzard Store account.
[/quote]

It doesn't have to be... I used the same account for WotLK that I did for my Blizzard "Store" Account that has all of my Battle.net games on it already.

[quote author=Sixen link=topic=17539.msg179452#msg179452 date=1219416428]
It doesn't have to be... I used the same account for WotLK that I did for my Blizzard "Store" Account that has all of my Battle.net games on it already.
[/quote]
Correct.  My point was, though, that the current WotLK account can be transitive.  I made my WotLK account first; my Blizz Store account is the same email address but is physically different.  I'm not sure why they did it, but it seems to me like they don't intend to keep those as requirements moving forward.  Otherwise they would have been enforced.

[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=17539.msg179453#msg179453 date=1219421632]
Correct.  My point was, though, that the current WotLK account can be transitive.  I made my WotLK account first; my Blizz Store account is the same email address but is physically different.  I'm not sure why they did it, but it seems to me like they don't intend to keep those as requirements moving forward.  Otherwise they would have been enforced.
[/quote]

What do you mean, Mynd? The Blizzard Store account is what's used on WotLK, =O. I used my original account (that I created the day the store opened) and it worked without any issues. So, it's all the same.

[quote author=Sixen link=topic=17539.msg179454#msg179454 date=1219424683]
What do you mean, Mynd? The Blizzard Store account is what's used on WotLK, =O. I used my original account (that I created the day the store opened) and it worked without any issues. So, it's all the same.
[/quote]
I did not have a Store account when I registered for WotLK.  I thought they were the same until I tried to order my Blizzcon tickets, at which point I found out that I also had to create a Store account.  They are the same email address, but different passwords.  They're different accounts.  They can be the same, but they don't HAVE to be.

[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=17539.msg179455#msg179455 date=1219424814]
[quote author=Sixen link=topic=17539.msg179454#msg179454 date=1219424683]
What do you mean, Mynd? The Blizzard Store account is what's used on WotLK, =O. I used my original account (that I created the day the store opened) and it worked without any issues. So, it's all the same.
[/quote]
I did not have a Store account when I registered for WotLK.  I thought they were the same until I tried to order my Blizzcon tickets, at which point I found out that I also had to create a Store account.  They are the same email address, but different passwords.  They're different accounts.  They can be the same, but they don't HAVE to be.
[/quote]

Oh really? I'll have to look into that, I could've sworn it was the same database/system. Are you positive? =x.

[quote author=Sixen link=topic=17539.msg179460#msg179460 date=1219438658]
Oh really? I'll have to look into that, I could've sworn it was the same database/system. Are you positive? =x.
[/quote]
Do I really, really have to repeat myself?

[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=17539.msg179466#msg179466 date=1219536114]
[quote author=Sixen link=topic=17539.msg179460#msg179460 date=1219438658]
Oh really? I'll have to look into that, I could've sworn it was the same database/system. Are you positive? =x.
[/quote]
Do I really, really have to repeat myself?
[/quote]

If that's the case then you have me confused. You say they are different accounts, but they are the same accounts (sometimes).

Inconsistency.. sounds like a vulnerability waiting to happen! :)

[quote author=iago link=topic=17539.msg179471#msg179471 date=1219595750]
Inconsistency.. sounds like a vulnerability waiting to happen! :)

[/quote]

Great quote.

[quote author=Sixen link=topic=17539.msg179467#msg179467 date=1219554186]
If that's the case then you have me confused. You say they are different accounts, but they are the same accounts (sometimes).
[/quote]
I didn't invent the system.  This is what I know.

You said: Your Blizzard store account is the same account on which your WotLK key is active.
I said: My Blizzard store account is not the same account on which my WotLK key is active, because they are the same email address, but different passwords.
Conclusion I've drawn: Blizzard store accounts are not the same as WotLK temporary accounts.  They may have been the same for some people but been copied or something.

This really isn't that hard.

....and in conclusion, this is why I miss vL.

You guys are swell ;)

there's no way that's the real c0ol !

[quote author=chyea link=topic=17539.msg179550#msg179550 date=1220045924]
there's no way that's the real c0ol !
[/quote]

Proof can be aquired!  I had an urge to check this forum for an interest un-related to this thread, but I couldn't resist reading.  Those were fun times for sure :)

trust me, you know me. first saturday, or first sunday with your linux cd stand, whatever it was. send me a PM. it's been a long time man.

[quote author=chyea link=topic=17539.msg179564#msg179564 date=1220083999]
trust me, you know me. first saturday, or first sunday with your linux cd stand, whatever it was. send me a PM. it's been a long time man.
[/quote]

Haha wow that was a long time ago it feels like.  I wonder if they still have first saturday...

Battle.Net had its time, which came and went.  Things change, people change.  Those were good times, but they are over for me.  I think even when Starcraft 2 comes out, I will not be doing the same things on battle.net as before.  I really doubt most of Valhalla Legends cares much for that scene (in its previous incarnation of attitude) any more, or will again in the future.  Everyone has new interests and finds their challenges in different things.

Of course, I could just be speaking for myself.

So Grok... if prop 8 is declined in California................... wanna get married?

Ohs and yeah I don't see historic battle.net attitude ever coming back amongst us... but I will buy Diablo 3 or Starcraft 2 so if they base it over battle.net I will be back on... there will probably be another channel and all but wouldn't expect it to be like old days. There is a decent amount of us planning to start playing those games again though! I think I will be out of the country once Diablo 3 comes out but will probably play it when I get back.

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So Grok... if prop 8 is declined in California................... wanna get married?

Ohs and yeah I don't see historic battle.net attitude ever coming back amongst us... but I will buy Diablo 3 or Starcraft 2 so if they base it over battle.net I will be back on... there will probably be another channel and all but wouldn't expect it to be like old days. There is a decent amount of us planning to start playing those games again though! I think I will be out of the country once Diablo 3 comes out but will probably play it when I get back.
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well i guess that just shows it'll be on battle.net I wonder how the new or clan channels will work..

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Features:

    * Fast-paced, hard-hitting, tightly balanced competitive real-time strategy gameplay that recaptures and improves on the magic of the original game
    * Three completely distinct races: Protoss, Terran, and Zerg
    * New units and gameplay mechanics further distinguish each race
    * Groundbreaking single-player campaign
    * Vibrant new 3D-graphics engine with support for dazzling visual effects and massive unit and army sizes
    * Full multiplayer support, with new competitive features and matchmaking utilities available through Battle.net
    * Full map-making and scripting tools to give players incredible freedom in customizing and personalizing their gameplay experience
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[quote author=Hostile link=topic=17539.msg180211#msg180211 date=1225827664]
So Grok... if prop 8 is declined in California................... wanna get married?

Ohs and yeah I don't see historic battle.net attitude ever coming back amongst us... but I will buy Diablo 3 or Starcraft 2 so if they base it over battle.net I will be back on... there will probably be another channel and all but wouldn't expect it to be like old days. There is a decent amount of us planning to start playing those games again though! I think I will be out of the country once Diablo 3 comes out but will probably play it when I get back.
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well i guess that just shows it'll be on battle.net I wonder how the new or clan channels will work..

[quote author=http://www.starcraft2.com]
Features:

    * Fast-paced, hard-hitting, tightly balanced competitive real-time strategy gameplay that recaptures and improves on the magic of the original game
    * Three completely distinct races: Protoss, Terran, and Zerg
    * New units and gameplay mechanics further distinguish each race
    * Groundbreaking single-player campaign
    * Vibrant new 3D-graphics engine with support for dazzling visual effects and massive unit and army sizes
    * Full multiplayer support, with new competitive features and matchmaking utilities available through Battle.net
    * Full map-making and scripting tools to give players incredible freedom in customizing and personalizing their gameplay experience
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map making baby! woot!