nt = No Text ;)

ubuntu.. nooo.. i love apt, but too bad it installs things, and configures things, however it wants to without documenting what it does. and then, if you goto #ubuntu on freenode for some pointers, they tell you to goto the application's support people... but, those people don't know how ubuntu has configured it EITHER. so, it's ubuntus fault for being so good... yet so bad... i'd say avoid apt

I've never had an issue getting drivers to work with Ubuntu. This also applies for wireless devices (mainly wireless network adapters) as well.

no, ubuntu is great with drivers

[quote author=betawarz link=topic=17437.msg177577#msg177577 date=1207888591]
ubuntu.. nooo.. i love apt, but too bad it installs things, and configures things, however it wants to without documenting what it does. and then, if you goto #ubuntu on freenode for some pointers, they tell you to goto the application's support people... but, those people don't know how ubuntu has configured it EITHER. so, it's ubuntus fault for being so good... yet so bad... i'd say avoid apt
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Apparently they don't like you. This has never occurred with me.

apt works the same for everyone, my friend.

let me clarify:
not a single printer has ever worked, not a single wifi card has ever worked. most graphics cards have worked as well as most sound cards. sound cards have worked out of the box while i had to compile most video card drivers. most usb devices have not worked.

have you tried debian/ubuntu? theyre both good with drivers. everything worked out of the box for me with ubuntu.

[quote author=betawarz link=topic=17437.msg177596#msg177596 date=1208029867]
have you tried debian/ubuntu?
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? The title specifies "ubuntu"?

eh we can lock thread

[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=17437.msg177602#msg177602 date=1208061036]
eh we can lock thread
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What was the solution?

[quote author=Tazo link=topic=17437.msg177711#msg177711 date=1208301475]
[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=17437.msg177602#msg177602 date=1208061036]
eh we can lock thread
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What was the solution?
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OSX

[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=17437.msg177715#msg177715 date=1208305665]
[quote author=Tazo link=topic=17437.msg177711#msg177711 date=1208301475]
[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=17437.msg177602#msg177602 date=1208061036]
eh we can lock thread
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What was the solution?
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OSX
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I'm so sorry.

[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=17437.msg177594#msg177594 date=1208018730]
let me clarify:
not a single printer has ever worked, not a single wifi card has ever worked. most graphics cards have worked as well as most sound cards. sound cards have worked out of the box while i had to compile most video card drivers. most usb devices have not worked.
[/quote]

If, the latest version of Ubuntu has failed to work with any of your hardware as you describe, you must have some of the shittiest, non-name brand hardware out there.

I find it far more likely that you're just trying to troll.

[quote author=K link=topic=17437.msg177748#msg177748 date=1208398326]
[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=17437.msg177594#msg177594 date=1208018730]
let me clarify:
not a single printer has ever worked, not a single wifi card has ever worked. most graphics cards have worked as well as most sound cards. sound cards have worked out of the box while i had to compile most video card drivers. most usb devices have not worked.
[/quote]

If, the latest version of Ubuntu has failed to work with any of your hardware as you describe, you must have some of the shittiest, non-name brand hardware out there.

I find it far more likely that you're just trying to troll.
[/quote]

He just stated that WiFi doesn't work (A known weakpoint in Linux's driver support) and some USB devices don't work..it seems pretty plausible to me.

I think the key issue here is Out of the Box Support, and 2D/3D acceleration on Linux is hackish at best for some cards.

If you want to stop whining and help, just do a data collection run... You can send your full specs to Ubuntu through a handy menu item. You can even sign up to help them test drivers. Windows has the companies do it for them, Linux has to have volunteers do it. It takes longer, but it still gets done.

[quote author=Warrior link=topic=17437.msg177752#msg177752 date=1208405200]
[quote author=K link=topic=17437.msg177748#msg177748 date=1208398326]
[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=17437.msg177594#msg177594 date=1208018730]
let me clarify:
not a single printer has ever worked, not a single wifi card has ever worked. most graphics cards have worked as well as most sound cards. sound cards have worked out of the box while i had to compile most video card drivers. most usb devices have not worked.
[/quote]

If, the latest version of Ubuntu has failed to work with any of your hardware as you describe, you must have some of the shittiest, non-name brand hardware out there.

I find it far more likely that you're just trying to troll.
[/quote]

He just stated that WiFi doesn't work (A known weakpoint in Linux's driver support) and some USB devices don't work..it seems pretty plausible to me.

I think the key issue here is Out of the Box Support, and 2D/3D acceleration on Linux is hackish at best for some cards.
[/quote]
Certainly Wifi cards can be difficult.  However, stating that under the latest version of Ubuntu you had to "compile most video card drivers" has to be complete bullshit.

Maybe if 'most video cards' excludes Nvidia, ATI, and Intel cards, then well sure.

[quote author=K link=topic=17437.msg177754#msg177754 date=1208406923]
[quote author=Warrior link=topic=17437.msg177752#msg177752 date=1208405200]
[quote author=K link=topic=17437.msg177748#msg177748 date=1208398326]
[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=17437.msg177594#msg177594 date=1208018730]
let me clarify:
not a single printer has ever worked, not a single wifi card has ever worked. most graphics cards have worked as well as most sound cards. sound cards have worked out of the box while i had to compile most video card drivers. most usb devices have not worked.
[/quote]

If, the latest version of Ubuntu has failed to work with any of your hardware as you describe, you must have some of the shittiest, non-name brand hardware out there.

I find it far more likely that you're just trying to troll.
[/quote]

He just stated that WiFi doesn't work (A known weakpoint in Linux's driver support) and some USB devices don't work..it seems pretty plausible to me.

I think the key issue here is Out of the Box Support, and 2D/3D acceleration on Linux is hackish at best for some cards.
[/quote]
Certainly Wifi cards can be difficult.  However, stating that under the latest version of Ubuntu you had to "compile most video card drivers" has to be complete bullshit.

Maybe if 'most video cards' excludes Nvidia, ATI, and Intel cards, then well sure.
[/quote]

admittedly the video card drivers issue was a few versions back. the wifi issues certainly still exist. even if the card is "supported," often authentication is not. i can never get my lexmark or canon pixma printers to work. please don't tell me to buy a different printer; beggars (linux/minority operating systems) can't be choosers. my pro audio stuff (external usb and firewire devices)? not a chance those have any support. in essence, i have a machine with no network connectivity, no access to one of my primary creative uses, and i can't even print a goddamned paper off of it nor print it via the network. yeah, fuck you ubuntu.

does linux even support ipods reliably yet?

Lexmark is terrible for printing in Linux. I almost got my printer working... except for where everything was slanted and yellow colored.

As for iPods, yes, they are pretty supported. At least, last time I checked (2006ish?)

iPod is very supported on *nix. Search up GTKpod. That's probably the most advanced iPod software for *nix. There are other available alternatives, but from my experience GTKpod is the best. GTKpod also allows you to keep the music strictly on the iPod and not on the computer as well. So if you choose you can have a music library on your hard drive and have that same library on your iPod. Or you can just have the library on the iPod only. From the looks of it, iTunes doesn't give you this option.

[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17437.msg177771#msg177771 date=1208532356]
iPod is very supported on *nix. Search up GTKpod. That's probably the most advanced iPod software for *nix. There are other available alternatives, but from my experience GTKpod is the best. GTKpod also allows you to keep the music strictly on the iPod and not on the computer as well. So if you choose you can have a music library on your hard drive and have that same library on your iPod. Or you can just have the library on the iPod only. From the looks of it, iTunes doesn't give you this option.
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iTunes can keep it strictly on the iPod and not on the computer.
iTunes can have same music library on computer and iPod.
iTunes can have just a library on the iPod

? First and third things you say sound like the same thing to me, but I think iTunes does the same going by what you're saying?

[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17437.msg177771#msg177771 date=1208532356]
iPod is very supported on *nix. Search up GTKpod. That's probably the most advanced iPod software for *nix. There are other available alternatives, but from my experience GTKpod is the best. GTKpod also allows you to keep the music strictly on the iPod and not on the computer as well. So if you choose you can have a music library on your hard drive and have that same library on your iPod. Or you can just have the library on the iPod only. From the looks of it, iTunes doesn't give you this option.
[/quote]

Lol, iTunes is bad for a lot of reasons but you have no idea what you're talking about.

[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=17437.msg177768#msg177768 date=1208507115]
admittedly the video card drivers issue was a few versions back. the wifi issues certainly still exist. even if the card is "supported," often authentication is not. i can never get my lexmark or canon pixma printers to work. please don't tell me to buy a different printer; beggars (linux/minority operating systems) can't be choosers. my pro audio stuff (external usb and firewire devices)? not a chance those have any support. in essence, i have a machine with no network connectivity, no access to one of my primary creative uses, and i can't even print a goddamned paper off of it nor print it via the network. yeah, fuck you ubuntu.

does linux even support ipods reliably yet?
[/quote]

Ubuntu supports any atheros based wireless card with WPA/2, WEP, whatever right out of the box.  There are plenty of wireless cards that work. A lot of cards that AREN'T supported can even be used with ndiswrapper and the windows driver.  

But if I were buying a machine or a wireless card, I would probably check to make sure it was supported first.

I can't speak for your USB devices or printers, but I have had zero problems with mine, including an iPod, my iRiver music player, my cellphone, UMS devices, xbox360 controller, logitech dual action gamepad...

I'm sorry that Ubuntu/Linux doesn't work for you. There are a few lucky people out there for whom it does.  If you really want your hardware to be supported, feel free to donate to a project that is working on it, post a bounty, or get involved in some other way.  Or you can stick with Windows or OS X, and still be perfectly happy.   It's your choice.

[quote author=Warrior link=topic=17437.msg177773#msg177773 date=1208542658]
[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17437.msg177771#msg177771 date=1208532356]
iPod is very supported on *nix. Search up GTKpod. That's probably the most advanced iPod software for *nix. There are other available alternatives, but from my experience GTKpod is the best. GTKpod also allows you to keep the music strictly on the iPod and not on the computer as well. So if you choose you can have a music library on your hard drive and have that same library on your iPod. Or you can just have the library on the iPod only. From the looks of it, iTunes doesn't give you this option.
[/quote]

Lol, iTunes is bad for a lot of reasons but you have no idea what you're talking about.
[/quote]

Lol, iTunes is great for a lot of reasons but you have no idea what you're talking about.

Sorry, I thought I should throw some of your super powered reasoning back at you. Did you catch any of it?

[quote author=UserLoser link=topic=17437.msg177772#msg177772 date=1208539903]
[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17437.msg177771#msg177771 date=1208532356]
iPod is very supported on *nix. Search up GTKpod. That's probably the most advanced iPod software for *nix. There are other available alternatives, but from my experience GTKpod is the best. GTKpod also allows you to keep the music strictly on the iPod and not on the computer as well. So if you choose you can have a music library on your hard drive and have that same library on your iPod. Or you can just have the library on the iPod only. From the looks of it, iTunes doesn't give you this option.
[/quote]

iTunes can keep it strictly on the iPod and not on the computer.
iTunes can have same music library on computer and iPod.
iTunes can have just a library on the iPod

? First and third things you say sound like the same thing to me, but I think iTunes does the same going by what you're saying?
[/quote]

I did repeat myself a little bit. For a reason, however. It seems this site has, and always will have, a reputation for people not paying attention of fully comprehending anything anybody says. You're not one of those people, but for when one of those people does read it, the repeated text might help them along with their gold fish attention span...

[quote author=K link=topic=17437.msg177774#msg177774 date=1208543173]
[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=17437.msg177768#msg177768 date=1208507115]
admittedly the video card drivers issue was a few versions back. the wifi issues certainly still exist. even if the card is "supported," often authentication is not. i can never get my lexmark or canon pixma printers to work. please don't tell me to buy a different printer; beggars (linux/minority operating systems) can't be choosers. my pro audio stuff (external usb and firewire devices)? not a chance those have any support. in essence, i have a machine with no network connectivity, no access to one of my primary creative uses, and i can't even print a goddamned paper off of it nor print it via the network. yeah, fuck you ubuntu.

does linux even support ipods reliably yet?
[/quote]

Ubuntu supports any atheros based wireless card with WPA/2, WEP, whatever right out of the box.  There are plenty of wireless cards that work. A lot of cards that AREN'T supported can even be used with ndiswrapper and the windows driver.  

But if I were buying a machine or a wireless card, I would probably check to make sure it was supported first.

I can't speak for your USB devices or printers, but I have had zero problems with mine, including an iPod, my iRiver music player, my cellphone, UMS devices, xbox360 controller, logitech dual action gamepad...

I'm sorry that Ubuntu/Linux doesn't work for you. There are a few lucky people out there for whom it does.  If you really want your hardware to be supported, feel free to donate to a project that is working on it, post a bounty, or get involved in some other way.  Or you can stick with Windows or OS X, and still be perfectly happy.   It's your choice.
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/debate

I used Ubuntu without any problems on my Dell Inspiron laptop. Everything worked out of the box, except my wireless network driver. The wireless driver was a well know issue though, and only didn't work out of the box due to some license thing. Fixing that issue took me all of 30 seconds, probably, since it still offered to download it for me - just couldn't ship with it.

[quote author=betawarz link=topic=17437.msg177782#msg177782 date=1208566724]
I used Ubuntu without any problems on my Dell Inspiron laptop. Everything worked out of the box, except my wireless network driver. The wireless driver was a well know issue though, and only didn't work out of the box due to some license thing. Fixing that issue took me all of 30 seconds, probably, since it still offered to download it for me - just couldn't ship with it.
[/quote]

With Intel wireless card or the cheaper Dell one?

PS: NT != No Text....      NT = my subject liNe is Too fucking long\i have Nothing To contribute. :-\ :P

[quote author=Hostile link=topic=17437.msg177855#msg177855 date=1208943131]
[quote author=betawarz link=topic=17437.msg177782#msg177782 date=1208566724]
I used Ubuntu without any problems on my Dell Inspiron laptop. Everything worked out of the box, except my wireless network driver. The wireless driver was a well know issue though, and only didn't work out of the box due to some license thing. Fixing that issue took me all of 30 seconds, probably, since it still offered to download it for me - just couldn't ship with it.
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Mine too, quicker to set up than xp

[quote author=Hostile link=topic=17437.msg177855#msg177855 date=1208943131]

With Intel wireless card or the cheaper Dell one?

PS: NT != No Text....       NT = my subject liNe is Too fucking long\i have Nothing To contribute. :-\ :P
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Mine has the broadcom wlan card.