I wanted to show everyone my build and hope for some thoughts/comments/suggestions on it. Thanks.
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Monitor/Keyboard/Mouse will all come when they are needed and will be bought at the local Best Buy.

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813188019
Processor: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115003
Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822136012
Memory: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820145034
Graphics Card: N/A
OS: Windows Professional SP2 or Windows Vista Ultimate... idk =\

You've got the hard part down -- your processor, motherboard, and RAM are all compatible.

Your motherboard supports 4 slots of RAM, but you're only ordering two. You should consider buying two packs of that memory for only an extra $100. It'd give you a bit of a boost.

EDIT -
You'll need a graphics card, as your motherboard doesn't have integrated video. You'd probably want to go with this category, but I'm not really up to suggesting one in particular.

[quote author=Joe[x86] link=topic=17132.msg174185#msg174185 date=1193252659]
You've got the hard part down -- your processor, motherboard, and RAM are all compatible.

Your motherboard supports 4 slots of RAM, but you're only ordering two. You should consider buying two packs of that memory for only an extra $100. It'd give you a bit of a boost.

EDIT -
You'll need a graphics card, as your motherboard doesn't have integrated video. You'd probably want to go with this category, but I'm not really up to suggesting one in particular.
[/quote]

Are you crazy? Since when do you need more than 2gb of ram? I've never used 2gb of memory at the same time even with various softwares running on my Mac OS X while VMWare Fusion Mac is running WinXP running MS VC# 2005.

[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174187#msg174187 date=1193253397]
Are you crazy? Since when do you need more than 2gb of ram? I've never used 2gb of memory at the same time even with various softwares running on my Mac OS X while VMWare Fusion Mac is running WinXP running MS VC# 2005.
[/quote]
More RAM is never bad, though to support 4+gb of memory you need to make sure you're using a 64-bit OS.  PAE helps, but IIRC you need to ensure that programs are written understanding PAE.

HellGate: London recommends 3 gigs.

Comments on specs:
Motherboard -
  In my experience, while it's handy to have onboard sound, it also slacks off and uses your processor to do some of the audio processing, which means more music lag under heavy process load.
  Your MoBo supports 8 gigs of ram, so fill up.
  Make sure you get a Power Supply (which I notice you're lacking... not good, as the PSU is the heart of the computer, and all other components can only perform as well as the PSU allows) that fits your motherboard.

Processor -
  I'm an AMD guy, not gonna comment on Intels.

Hard Drive -
  I've had problems with Western Digital. I'm strictly Seagate biased. 10k RPM isn't bad though. (My own hard drive is a 400 gig UDMA drive [ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148137 ] which is substantially cheaper, but also slower). I guess all drives are pretty similar in the end, though. I would recommend going for a bit more capacity if you're going to be backing up DVDs as ISOs, or anything like that (which I do, because I HATE external media).

RAM -
  Double it.

Video -
  I'd wait until 256-bit DirectX 10 cards come out, but that's just me.

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813188019
Processor: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115003
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Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822136012
A possiblity to change at last minute to a larger HD.
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Memory: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820145034 x2
Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130062
OS: Windows Professional SP2 or Windows Vista Ultimate... idk =\
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Case/PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811147001
Already ordered. Arrives tomorrow.

[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=17132.msg174189#msg174189 date=1193255578]
[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174187#msg174187 date=1193253397]
Are you crazy? Since when do you need more than 2gb of ram? I've never used 2gb of memory at the same time even with various softwares running on my Mac OS X while VMWare Fusion Mac is running WinXP running MS VC# 2005.
[/quote]
More RAM is never bad, though to support 4+gb of memory you need to make sure you're using a 64-bit OS.  PAE helps, but IIRC you need to ensure that programs are written understanding PAE.
[/quote]

Of course it isn't. He just most likely will never need more than 2gb of RAM. The extra $100 could be well spent elsewhere.

[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174194#msg174194 date=1193276455]
[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=17132.msg174189#msg174189 date=1193255578]
[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174187#msg174187 date=1193253397]
Are you crazy? Since when do you need more than 2gb of ram? I've never used 2gb of memory at the same time even with various softwares running on my Mac OS X while VMWare Fusion Mac is running WinXP running MS VC# 2005.
[/quote]
More RAM is never bad, though to support 4+gb of memory you need to make sure you're using a 64-bit OS.  PAE helps, but IIRC you need to ensure that programs are written understanding PAE.
[/quote]

Of course it isn't. He just most likely will never need more than 2gb of RAM. The extra $100 could be well spent elsewhere.
[/quote]

I could fill up 2gb of RAM no problem. Just run a protools session.

I'm sure I'm relatively alone in this category, but I'm a loaded-program-packrat. Right now, I've got a few VS2005 sessions loaded which can't be less than 200MB a piece, as well as JBLS which runs at probably 50MB, and UEStudio '06. Of my 1GB of RAM, I've got 180MB available, minus whatever is in my pagefile which *appears* to be 1.2GB, setting me at a bit over 2GB of RAM while not doing anything intensive. If I want to open WoW, that sticks me at 2.5GB easily.

EDIT -
As for HD, which I didn't look at, I'd go for 500GB at least. As HD space consumption continually grows increasingly faster, I regret saving a few dollars a few years ago when I bought my (then) massive 120GB HD, when I could have gotten a 240 (which is still small).

You'd be best off just getting two 250gb drives, lest you want to lose all your data when your 500gb drive fails. It'll cost you close to $20 more, but losing half of everything is much better. Or, you could invest in a decent burner and burn your media onto dual layer discs, which is what I do.

[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174194#msg174194 date=1193276455]
Of course it isn't. He just most likely will never need more than 2gb of RAM. The extra $100 could be well spent elsewhere.
[/quote]
Virtualization?  RAMdrives?  Video editing?  3D animation rendering?

I can think of a few reasons.

For $100, I'd take 2gb of RAM. :P

[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=17132.msg174200#msg174200 date=1193282198]
[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174194#msg174194 date=1193276455]
Of course it isn't. He just most likely will never need more than 2gb of RAM. The extra $100 could be well spent elsewhere.
[/quote]
Virtualization?  RAMdrives?  Video editing?  3D animation rendering?

I can think of a few reasons.
[/quote]

Even for those, 2gb should be enough to cover, provided you are not running a shitload of things which have no reason to be running. I run MSVC# 2005 on WinXP inside VMWare Fusion Mac while running some other rather large software on my Mac OS X and the 2gb covers everything with plenty to spare. I really don't see the need in 4gb. Why spend an extra $100 because you're too lazy to exit programs that you aren't using? Not to mention that these programs also shouldn't take long to open and fully load either (even MSVS 2005 doesn't take long).

[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174202#msg174202 date=1193284614]
[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=17132.msg174200#msg174200 date=1193282198]
[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174194#msg174194 date=1193276455]
Of course it isn't. He just most likely will never need more than 2gb of RAM. The extra $100 could be well spent elsewhere.
[/quote]
Virtualization?  RAMdrives?  Video editing?  3D animation rendering?

I can think of a few reasons.
[/quote]

Even for those, 2gb should be enough to cover, provided you are not running a shitload of things which have no reason to be running. I run MSVC# 2005 on WinXP inside VMWare Fusion Mac while running some other rather large software on my Mac OS X and the 2gb covers everything with plenty to spare. I really don't see the need in 4gb. Why spend an extra $100 because you're too lazy to exit programs that you aren't using? Not to mention that these programs also shouldn't take long to open and fully load either (even MSVS 2005 doesn't take long).
[/quote]

No it won't.

[quote author=Andy link=topic=17132.msg174190#msg174190 date=1193256837]
HellGate: London recommends 3 gigs.
[/quote]

Wow. Hellgate: London can go to hell.

[quote author=Warrior link=topic=17132.msg174204#msg174204 date=1193308052]
[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174202#msg174202 date=1193284614]
[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=17132.msg174200#msg174200 date=1193282198]
[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174194#msg174194 date=1193276455]
Of course it isn't. He just most likely will never need more than 2gb of RAM. The extra $100 could be well spent elsewhere.
[/quote]
Virtualization?  RAMdrives?  Video editing?  3D animation rendering?

I can think of a few reasons.
[/quote]

Even for those, 2gb should be enough to cover, provided you are not running a shitload of things which have no reason to be running. I run MSVC# 2005 on WinXP inside VMWare Fusion Mac while running some other rather large software on my Mac OS X and the 2gb covers everything with plenty to spare. I really don't see the need in 4gb. Why spend an extra $100 because you're too lazy to exit programs that you aren't using? Not to mention that these programs also shouldn't take long to open and fully load either (even MSVS 2005 doesn't take long).
[/quote]

No it won't.

[/quote]

Yes it will.

P.S. Way to double post with one minute between the two?

[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174209#msg174209 date=1193328170]
[quote author=Warrior link=topic=17132.msg174204#msg174204 date=1193308052]
[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174202#msg174202 date=1193284614]
[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=17132.msg174200#msg174200 date=1193282198]
[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174194#msg174194 date=1193276455]
Of course it isn't. He just most likely will never need more than 2gb of RAM. The extra $100 could be well spent elsewhere.
[/quote]
Virtualization?  RAMdrives?  Video editing?  3D animation rendering?

I can think of a few reasons.
[/quote]

Even for those, 2gb should be enough to cover, provided you are not running a shitload of things which have no reason to be running. I run MSVC# 2005 on WinXP inside VMWare Fusion Mac while running some other rather large software on my Mac OS X and the 2gb covers everything with plenty to spare. I really don't see the need in 4gb. Why spend an extra $100 because you're too lazy to exit programs that you aren't using? Not to mention that these programs also shouldn't take long to open and fully load either (even MSVS 2005 doesn't take long).
[/quote]

No it won't.

[/quote]

Yes it will.

P.S. Way to double post with one minute between the two?
[/quote]

Ok, I'll use your logic: Why spend the extra money on 2GB of ram when you're well off with 32 MB of ram? Why don't you just run a program at a time?

Why run programs at all?

See how stupid that argument is? The advantage of multi-tasking computing is exactly that, multi-tasking and anything that facilitates it is a welcome thing. At the very least, 4GB of ram is an investment in the future of computer.

Just like we didn't stick with 64k memory, we're not going to stick with 2GB of memory.

PS: I don't care.

That's not my logic. 2gb of ram runs plenty of shit. How often does the average person need more than 2gb of ram at the same time? I've never needed more. Even with virtualization. By the time 4gb is practically a requirement, he'll be getting an entirely new computer anyways. So why waste the extra $100? Actually, since he's using Windows, 4gb will probably be the minimum requirement by the next version... the solution is to get a better OS.

[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174216#msg174216 date=1193343413]
That's not my logic. 2gb of ram runs plenty of shit. How often does the average person need more than 2gb of ram at the same time?
[/quote]

You do realize that this same argument has been reiterated by several figures in the computer industry? You do realize that every time they've posed this question they'ved been proved wrong by history..Correct?

"You'll never use x amount of Ram/Space/"

It's tired. The proof is in the pudding, look at the requirements of computers today and then look at the requirements in the 90s. They're radically different.

[quote]
I've never needed more. Even with virtualization. By the time 4gb is practically a requirement, he'll be getting an entirely new computer anyways. So why waste the extra $100? Actually, since he's using Windows, 4gb will probably be the minimum requirement by the next version... the solution is to get a better OS.
[/quote]

I personally don't care about what you need/have needed or your personal experiences. I'm letting the learned from the history of computing be my guide.

You seem to be under a false impression that technology advances at even a run. The evolution of this field skyrockets, and may even exponentially increase in just a few years time.

4GB is quickly becoming capped by memory address limits in the Operating System. We're running out of numbers to use, and there may be patches here and there to increase the lifetime but the downfall of the 32 Bit era is inevitable.

If you don't see 4GB as an investment, you're blind plain and simple.

Now, since you like to bring up Windows I'm going to have to school you in this area as well:

What Windows does in the system requirements field is push the industry standard of required specifications. In the end, not only does it offer a streamlined experience (Windows Vista SCREAMS with anything over 1.5GB of Ram), but it allows developers to make much greater assumptions about the "baseline" specifications of even the lowest-end users.

It sets a cut-off of sorts for the industry and the consumer. It's the evolution of the industry.
You're correct though, if you're pissed that your Pentium 2 won't run Windows Vista with maximum settings then perhaps another system is best for you.

Do keep in mind however, that the trade-off between hardware and features may not be one you enjoy when it tilts in the negative fashion.

Do we have a topic about the computer industry in general? I love reading about current stuff on computers in a rant form (seriously, it's much more entertaining than a news article), especially with promising implications to the future. If we don't have a topic, perhaps we could start one?

Warrior, you just love to take things people say and completely twist them around numerous times. I never said that we will never need x amount of RAM. I said I've never needed 4gb (to date. I never said "will never need") and he probably won't need 4gb either. By the time 4gb is a necessity, he'll be buying all new computers parts and probably even new RAM anyways. So why spend the extra $100 right now when he doesn't have to?

[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174228#msg174228 date=1193368174]
Warrior, you just love to take things people say and completely twist them around numerous times. I never said that we will never need x amount of RAM. I said I've never needed 4gb (to date. I never said "will never need") and he probably won't need 4gb either. By the time 4gb is a necessity, he'll be buying all new computers parts and probably even new RAM anyways. So why spend the extra $100 right now when he doesn't have to?
[/quote]

No, I was completely on point. You're assuming that technological advances are only on the hardware side, they are very much alive on the software side.

Software becomes bigger, more feature filled, and demands more resources. This can all happen in a very small amount of time, 4GB especially with the advent of 64Bit processing is a very real estimation of what's going to be the ideal amount of memory to have in the very near future.

I stand by my original point that if by some chance he's not making use of the memory, in any case it would be an investment. On Windows Vista for example, the OS attempts to use as much memory as it can to feed it's core components. Unused memory is wasted memory.

Memory is then allocated and distributed by the system as new processes need it, it's a completely fair and intelligent system which makes phenomenal use of resources.

4GB of Ram is going to improve a bunch of things. You have more running memory so you page less to disk, you can afford to run more programs at once which increases productivity, and applications are not starved for resources.

It's really the collective presence of hardware which contributes to a user experience, adding more ram is just supplementing that experience.

You should never cap what you need just because you can, more is definitely always better.

For the average user, 2GB is plenty. Regardless of how many tasks are going to be running, it would be hard to amass that much memory usage; high-end games consume, what, 1GB at the max? The only exception here would be if he's planning to run server software, still, if a home server of sorts is consuming that much memory it would be more than likely it's expanded beyond the requirements of a simple home user's connection.

Even if he does, at some point in time, require more memory there is such a thing as upgrading. And in which case would probably end up being better finacial-wise anyway.

64-bit architecture has relatively nothing to do with 'preparing for the future of memory usage', if it did, then there must be systems out there with above ~280TB memory requirements, as that's the maximum addressable by an x86 processor.

It would be more worthwhile investing in faster RAM, PC-12800 (22GB/s) is $500.

It's true: there's no reason the average user needs 2 GB of RAM. The average user is going to be using an office suite, a web browser, and a media player. These were all perfectly functional (and snappy) on machines with 32 or 64 MB of RAM. The great travesty in the industry today is that feature bloat in software drives the sale of new, faster hardware, which in turn drives the creation of more bloated features in software. Intel and Microsoft are in bed with each other. Well, maybe not in bed per se, but have a mutually beneficial relationship.

Keep in mind that you, however, are probably not the average user that I'm talking about.

Yogi Bear is smarter than the average bear,
Yogi Bear is always in the ranger's hair.
At a picnic table you will find him there
Stuffing down more goodies than the average bear.

He will sleep till noon but before it's dark,
He'll have every picnic basket that's in Jellystone Park.

Yogi has it better than a millionaire
That's becasue he's smarter than the average bear.

[quote author=devcode link=topic=17132.msg174233#msg174233 date=1193418883]
Yogi Bear is smarter than the average bear,
Yogi Bear is always in the ranger's hair.
At a picnic table you will find him there
Stuffing down more goodies than the average bear.

He will sleep till noon but before it's dark,
He'll have every picnic basket that's in Jellystone Park.

Yogi has it better than a millionaire
That's becasue he's smarter than the average bear.
[/quote]
... You're really fuckin random.

[quote author=Warrior link=topic=17132.msg174205#msg174205 date=1193308087]
[quote author=Andy link=topic=17132.msg174190#msg174190 date=1193256837]
HellGate: London recommends 3 gigs.
[/quote]

Wow. Hellgate: London can go to hell.
[/quote]

Haha, you are just mad because you did not get into the beta!

[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174187#msg174187 date=1193253397]
Are you crazy? Since when do you need more than 2gb of ram? I've never used 2gb of memory at the same time even with various softwares running on my Mac OS X while VMWare Fusion Mac is running WinXP running MS VC# 2005.
[/quote]

I understand your situation. There are no games for Mac's so you don't even need 2gb of ram.

[quote author=Invert link=topic=17132.msg174236#msg174236 date=1193423515]
[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174187#msg174187 date=1193253397]
Are you crazy? Since when do you need more than 2gb of ram? I've never used 2gb of memory at the same time even with various softwares running on my Mac OS X while VMWare Fusion Mac is running WinXP running MS VC# 2005.
[/quote]

I understand your situation. There are no games for Mac's so you don't even need 2gb of ram.
[/quote]

I don't play video games so that's not a problem for me. But don't worry, using VMWare to run WinXP which in turn is running MS Visual Studio uses plenty of RAM.

Running VMware on a personal computer just to run a Windows OS, um..ok. Why not just run a Windows OS?

[quote author=Invert link=topic=17132.msg174238#msg174238 date=1193424280]
Running VMware on a personal computer just to run a Windows OS, um..ok. Why not just run a Windows OS?
[/quote]
That would be silly.

[quote author=Invert link=topic=17132.msg174238#msg174238 date=1193424280]
Running VMware on a personal computer just to run a Windows OS, um..ok. Why not just run a Windows OS?
[/quote]
Wouldn't it make more sense to run the less stable OS on VMWare? (windows)

It's all just personal preference.

I'm on XP and I run virtual Machines of 95, 98, 98SE, ME (yes, I actually found a ME torrent and wasted my bandwidth on it), 2000 Pro, and Vista Home Basic. It makes me wish I could get about 10 gigs of ram and that those new 4 core AMDs would come out (not intel's 2 cores on 2 processors in one shell bullshit). However, the rest of the time, my computer runs wonderfully for everything I do on 1.5 gigs of ram on an AMD Athlon XP 2700+.

The point is, there are and will be reasons to have lots of ram, and if you can get away with only upgrading every 10 years instead of every 5, it's going to be a lot nicer on your checkbook.

[quote author=Invert link=topic=17132.msg174235#msg174235 date=1193423388]
[quote author=Warrior link=topic=17132.msg174205#msg174205 date=1193308087]
[quote author=Andy link=topic=17132.msg174190#msg174190 date=1193256837]
HellGate: London recommends 3 gigs.
[/quote]

Wow. Hellgate: London can go to hell.
[/quote]

Haha, you are just mad because you did not get into the beta!
[/quote]


Yes I am :(. Everyone in my WoW guild is playing it and I'm sol.

But jesus, 3GB of ram? What the hell is this game doing?

[quote author=Warrior link=topic=17132.msg174243#msg174243 date=1193437011]
But jesus, 3GB of ram? What the hell is this game doing?
[/quote]
Being fucking boring, according to my roommie.

It does not require 3gb or ram.

http://www.hellgatelondon.com/system_requirements

IMO, the game is a lot of fun.

I didn't say it required it. I said it recommended it. There's a scan you can have them do to determine if your computer passes the requirements or the recommendations. I passed the requirements, but they recommended 3 gigs of ram, vista, and a dual core processor, so I failed the recommendations.

[quote author=Andy link=topic=17132.msg174247#msg174247 date=1193449702]
I didn't say it required it. I said it recommended it. There's a scan you can have them do to determine if your computer passes the requirements or the recommendations. I passed the requirements, but they recommended 3 gigs of ram, vista, and a dual core processor, so I failed the recommendations.
[/quote]

I did not say that you said it required it. My reply was towards Warrior. Your post was worthless; you are being defensive when my reply had nothing to do with you. I laugh at you!

[quote author=Invert link=topic=17132.msg174306#msg174306 date=1193697745]
I did not say that you said it required it. My reply was towards Warrior. Your post was worthless; you are being defensive when my reply had nothing to do with you. I laugh at you!
[/quote]
Warrior didn't say the game required it either. He said "But jesus, 3GB of ram? What the hell is this game doing?" as a response to my post that it does recommend 3 gigs.

[quote author=Hands of a Government Man link=topic=17132.msg174309#msg174309 date=1193701712]
[quote author=Invert link=topic=17132.msg174306#msg174306 date=1193697745]
I did not say that you said it required it. My reply was towards Warrior. Your post was worthless; you are being defensive when my reply had nothing to do with you. I laugh at you!
[/quote]
Warrior didn't say the game required it either. He said "But jesus, 3GB of ram? What the hell is this game doing?" as a response to my post that it does recommend 3 gigs.
[/quote]

I also did not say that Warrior said it required it. I made a comment based on his reaction. I laugh at you even more!

If you're going to get more than 2GB, might as well get 2x 2GB sticks. Dual channeling your RAM is very quite best for your machine, unless you manage to find that elusive 1536 module

If the kid was going to run windows Vista Home Premium & up he would need more than 2 gigs of RAM. Vistas resources use at least a Gig with all of its widgets.

[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174237#msg174237 date=1193423824]
[quote author=Invert link=topic=17132.msg174236#msg174236 date=1193423515]
[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174187#msg174187 date=1193253397]
Are you crazy? Since when do you need more than 2gb of ram? I've never used 2gb of memory at the same time even with various softwares running on my Mac OS X while VMWare Fusion Mac is running WinXP running MS VC# 2005.
[/quote]

I understand your situation. There are no games for Mac's so you don't even need 2gb of ram.
[/quote]

I don't play video games so that's not a problem for me. But don't worry, using VMWare to run WinXP which in turn is running MS Visual Studio uses plenty of RAM.
[/quote]


He's right -why not even run DDR RAM at all, ignore II & III all together. Save your money and just wait till those kids at Harvard Uni make a breakthrough with their Optical computers from frozen light atoms. Then you'll be ahead of the game entirely! Money in the bank if I don't say so myself. Good thinkin Yegg!

[quote author=Ishbar link=topic=17132.msg174362#msg174362 date=1193764058]
If the kid was going to run windows Vista Home Premium & up he would need more than 2 gigs of RAM. Vistas resources use at least a Gig with all of its widgets.

[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174237#msg174237 date=1193423824]
[quote author=Invert link=topic=17132.msg174236#msg174236 date=1193423515]
[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174187#msg174187 date=1193253397]
Are you crazy? Since when do you need more than 2gb of ram? I've never used 2gb of memory at the same time even with various softwares running on my Mac OS X while VMWare Fusion Mac is running WinXP running MS VC# 2005.
[/quote]

I understand your situation. There are no games for Mac's so you don't even need 2gb of ram.
[/quote]

I don't play video games so that's not a problem for me. But don't worry, using VMWare to run WinXP which in turn is running MS Visual Studio uses plenty of RAM.
[/quote]


He's right -why not even run DDR RAM at all, ignore II & III all together. Save your money and just wait till those kids at Harvard Uni make a breakthrough with their Optical computers from frozen light atoms. Then you'll be ahead of the game entirely! Money in the bank if I don't say so myself. Good thinkin Yegg!
[/quote]

<troll>
Let's just be like ishbar and spend $150 on a beanbag and one week later decide that the beanbag is utterly useless.
</troll>

Or perhaps $300 Dollars on an iPod Touch.

Of course that's after the speeding tickets being paid off in court, a third credit card to pay off the other two, paying the state back a grant for dropping out of College, and then a whole new slew of tuition fees for an Online course! :D

Match.

[quote author=Ishbar link=topic=17132.msg174362#msg174362 date=1193764058]
If the kid was going to run windows Vista Home Premium & up he would need more than 2 gigs of RAM. Vistas resources use at least a Gig with all of its widgets.
[/quote]
That's a bit of an exaggeration - my notebook ran fine with 1 gig - but 2 is always nicer :)

[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=17132.msg174365#msg174365 date=1193767941]
[quote author=Ishbar link=topic=17132.msg174362#msg174362 date=1193764058]
If the kid was going to run windows Vista Home Premium & up he would need more than 2 gigs of RAM. Vistas resources use at least a Gig with all of its widgets.
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That's a bit of an exaggeration - my notebook ran fine with 1 gig - but 2 is always nicer :)
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Confirmed. My mom's laptop also runs Vista Home with 1gb of RAM and has no speed issues. I'm no Vista fan, but I know that 1gb is all you need for Vista to run while still being able to run a few heavy on the resources softwares.

Why not spend the extra money on a quad core processor it isn't that much more then what you will pay for your current processor runs at the same speed and has a bigger cache.

When are AMD's 4core processors coming out, anyway?

[quote author=Yegg link=topic=17132.msg174228#msg174228 date=1193368174]
Warrior, you just love to take things people say and completely twist them around numerous times. I never said that we will never need x amount of RAM. I said I've never needed 4gb (to date. I never said "will never need") and he probably won't need 4gb either. By the time 4gb is a necessity, he'll be buying all new computers parts and probably even new RAM anyways. So why spend the extra $100 right now when he doesn't have to?
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Let me bring a case study of sorts in to play here. I consider myself a power user, requiring a more powerful machine than most others. I'm using a Dell Dimension 2400, which I purchased in 2001, I believe. It came with a 40GB hard drive, which would now be nearly half-way filled by just installing Windows Vista and Visual Studio. It also came with a CD-RW drive, which you couldn't even install Windows Vista using, as you need a DVD drive. Also, it shipped with 512MB of RAM, which couldn't run Windows Vista even if you had all the time in the world, as eventually you'll need sleep.

I'm still using this machine to date (posting from it, to be exact) running Windows Vista, installed from a DVD-RW drive, installed onto a 120GB HD, and with 1GB of RAM. I wish I had a bigger HD and more RAM, and that would be the second time I upgraded those. I got a machine with a decent processor (2.8GHz, incredible at the time), and that's the only thing I haven't upgraded.

When I build my next machine, I'll want to get at least 5 years out of it, without spending too much on upgrades. Now, look back in 2001 and tell me that those weren't amazing specs for $400. Right -- you can't, because they were. Look in 2007 and tell me that the $400 machine I bought should sell for more than $100. If I hadn't spent a good deal of money on upgrading my hardware, my amazing powerhouse would be about as useful as a paperweight. Keep that in mind when you pick what hardware you have in your machine.

[quote author=Invert link=topic=17132.msg174238#msg174238 date=1193424280]
Running VMware on a personal computer just to run a Windows OS, um..ok. Why not just run a Windows OS?
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Because his machine is a Mac.

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[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=17132.msg174365#msg174365 date=1193767941]
[quote author=Ishbar link=topic=17132.msg174362#msg174362 date=1193764058]
If the kid was going to run windows Vista Home Premium & up he would need more than 2 gigs of RAM. Vistas resources use at least a Gig with all of its widgets.
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That's a bit of an exaggeration - my notebook ran fine with 1 gig - but 2 is always nicer :)
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Confirmed. My mom's laptop also runs Vista Home with 1gb of RAM and has no speed issues. I'm no Vista fan, but I know that 1gb is all you need for Vista to run while still being able to run a few heavy on the resources softwares.
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I'm running Vista Ultimate now and still keep many of my programs open like in my previous posts. I only have 1GB of RAM, and have several widgets open, and I don't notice any more lag than I did with Windows XP a few days ago.

Changed Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017