http://youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno

mm, we'll get it to work in this one!

That...

was...

perfect.

lol. nice

Lol i love it :)

lol that brightened my day, ty

LOL!

Ancient. Not funny.

Not that funny -_-

I bet he is a Mac user that tried to switch but did not realize that PC's have 2 mouse buttons and had trouble working the OS. "OMG!!! Where is the apple key!?!?"

I have a keyboard on mac that has a windows key.

That's all I'm going to say about that.

Best install ever!

Freaking classic... RACK EM..

[quote author=Invert link=topic=17000.msg172291#msg172291 date=1188869002]
I bet he is a Mac user that tried to switch but did not realize that PC's have 2 mouse buttons and had trouble working the OS. "OMG!!! Where is the apple key!?!?"
[/quote]

Sorry to ruin your fun, but Mac's have had two buttons for several years, and last time I checked, my Mac's keyboard still had an Apple key after I installed Ubuntu, so I'm going to have to guess that wouldn't change if you installed Vista. But, if you find me drivers to change the labeling on the keys themselves, that'd be neat.

[quote author=Joe[x86] link=topic=17000.msg172618#msg172618 date=1189533645]
[quote author=Invert link=topic=17000.msg172291#msg172291 date=1188869002]
I bet he is a Mac user that tried to switch but did not realize that PC's have 2 mouse buttons and had trouble working the OS. "OMG!!! Where is the apple key!?!?"
[/quote]

Sorry to ruin your fun, but Mac's have had two buttons for several years, and last time I checked, my Mac's keyboard still had an Apple key after I installed Ubuntu, so I'm going to have to guess that wouldn't change if you installed Vista. But, if you find me drivers to change the labeling on the keys themselves, that'd be neat.
[/quote]

Yeah, you are right. Mac's are finally catching up with the whole mouse thing. But what is wrong with you? You got a Mac to run linux because linux won't run on those darn PC's and you needed the overpriced hardware that Apple sells. Right?

Good job Joe!

Mac = Art
PC = Game
Lin = Network

All = Work

That's how it goes. Stop bickering.

[quote author=Andy link=topic=17000.msg172672#msg172672 date=1189589008]
Mac = Art
PC = Game
Lin = Network

All = Work

That's how it goes. Stop bickering.
[/quote]
I do all of the above on Linux. :-o

I'm just saying what their primary functions are. Nowadays, any mainstream OS can do any of those [to an extent], but that's not quite the point. Also, what do you use to run win games on linux? I tried using VMWare, but DirectX lagged so horribly, I couldn't play.

This is where people get confused a lot of times.

Mac and PC is not an OS. Mac does not automatically mean OSX and PC does not automatically mean Windows. My point is that Mac's are overpriced and PC's can do everything a Mac can. Am I wrong?

The only good thing I like about Apple is their innovative product design. But yea PCs can do everything a Mac can.

[quote author=Falcon[anti-yL] link=topic=17000.msg172677#msg172677 date=1189625477]
The only good thing I like about Apple is their innovative product design. But yea PCs can do everything a Mac can.
[/quote]Innovative?  Don't you mean horrible?  End users can't upgrade a Mac without some serious tools and know-how or a big wallet.  PCs are easily upgradeable even for people who aren't very smart (brew, theghosty, etc...).  PCs can do everything a Mac can, and then some.  Ever try putting a new CPU in a Mac?  Not gonna happen.  How about a PC? 15 minutes.

This thread is no longer funny...wait, was it funny from the start?

[quote author=rabbit link=topic=17000.msg172678#msg172678 date=1189634755]
Innovative?  Don't you mean horrible?  End users can't upgrade a Mac without some serious tools and know-how or a big wallet.  PCs are easily upgradeable even for people who aren't very smart (brew, theghosty, etc...).  PCs can do everything a Mac can, and then some.  Ever try putting a new CPU in a Mac?  Not gonna happen.  How about a PC? 15 minutes.[/quote]
Now that Macs run on Intel chips they're the ones that can do everything Windows can, and then some, not the other way around. And I doub't the ipod or the iphone would be so popular these days if they were horribly designed.

The iPod is great, it's not meant to be upgraded every year or so, like a computer is.  The iPhone is a POS.

iPods still have more glitches than most MP3 players. Ask anyone who's owned an iPod for a year, and they'll tell you it's frozen once. I've had a cheap MP3 player by Samsung (YP-F1) for quite a while, and the only problem I have with it is it doesn't play very loudly.

Really?  I've had two iPods, and both were great.

My sister's iPod Nano was fine for half a year. Now it's been freezing a lot.

i have an iRiver T10 which has fm radio, mic, runs on 1 AA battery (which i love cause i don't have to carry some shitty charger around and if my battery dies while on a plane, hey i can just put it another one), customizable equalizer with presets, plays .mp3, .wma, and .ogg and runs as a USB drive so i can store like documents for school and stuff like that on it without having to have any program such as iTunes on the computer.

i don't understand why people like ipods when there are competing products which are cheaper and way better.

Sounds exactly like my YP-F1, except it doesn't use a standard battery, it charges through the USB cord.

I have exactly what l2k-Shadow has, i prefer it over an iPod. Especially after seeing my mates freeze and he had to wait until the battery wasted to fix it. Has that happened to anyone?

[quote author=Falcon[anti-yL] link=topic=17000.msg172689#msg172689 date=1189651367]
Now that Macs run on Intel chips they're the ones that can do everything Windows can, and then some, not the other way around. And I doub't the ipod or the iphone would be so popular these days if they were horribly designed.
[/quote]

What do you mean by "and then some?" What is that "and then some?" What can a Mac do that a PC can't?

Frustrate the bajezes out of a vetran pc user?

You figure it'd be the opposite, since there's a terminal where it's basically UNIX underneath...

[quote author=rabbit link=topic=17000.msg172690#msg172690 date=1189653133]
The iPod is great, it's not meant to be upgraded every year or so, like a computer is.  The iPhone is a POS.
[/quote]
How is a computer "meant to be upgraded every year so?"

[quote author=Invert link=topic=17000.msg172702#msg172702 date=1189676531]
What do you mean by "and then some?" What is that "and then some?" What can a Mac do that a PC can't?
[/quote]
After thinking about it, since Mac switched to Intel CPUs, PCs and Macs can both do the same things, especially with VMWare and other virtualization software. Theres nothing one can do that the other cannot. By the way I'm not a Mac fan or anything, both my computers are PCs, I just wanted to point out that there isn't much difference between them in terms of capability.

Upgrade: Replaceable parts. You can't replace parts on an iPod yourself.

[quote author=Falcon[anti-yL] link=topic=17000.msg172719#msg172719 date=1189733395]
After thinking about it, since Mac switched to Intel CPUs, PCs and Macs can both do the same things, especially with VMWare and other virtualization software. Theres nothing one can do that the other cannot.
[/quote]Uhh...yeah.  PCs can do everything a Mac can for half the price.

OOH! ya, that's one thing a mac can do that a pc can't! Charge you shitloads for cheap knockoffs of standard equipment!

[IMG]http://www.orlyowl.com/orly.jpg[/img]

[quote author=rabbit link=topic=17000.msg172728#msg172728 date=1189738671]
[quote author=Falcon[anti-yL] link=topic=17000.msg172719#msg172719 date=1189733395]
After thinking about it, since Mac switched to Intel CPUs, PCs and Macs can both do the same things, especially with VMWare and other virtualization software. Theres nothing one can do that the other cannot.
[/quote]Uhh...yeah.  PCs can do everything a Mac can for half the price.
[/quote]
Yea, people buy them for their design and looks, rather than what it can do. I doubt people that can afford Macs are too worried about money issues anyways.

[quote author=Andy link=topic=17000.msg172729#msg172729 date=1189739200]
OOH! ya, that's one thing a mac can do that a pc can't! Charge you shitloads for cheap knockoffs of standard equipment!
[/quote]
I didn't know a Mac can charge you money, I always thought Apple was the one doing that.

[quote author=Andy link=topic=17000.msg172723#msg172723 date=1189737048]
Upgrade: Replaceable parts. You can't replace parts on an iPod yourself.
[/quote]
Replacing and upgrading are 2 separate things. If you replace a battery for example with another identical one, that is not an upgrade.

[quote author=Falcon[anti-yL] link=topic=17000.msg172734#msg172734 date=1189741403]
[quote author=Andy link=topic=17000.msg172729#msg172729 date=1189739200]
OOH! ya, that's one thing a mac can do that a pc can't! Charge you shitloads for cheap knockoffs of standard equipment!
[/quote]
I didn't know a Mac can charge you money, I always thought Apple was the one doing that.

[quote author=Andy link=topic=17000.msg172723#msg172723 date=1189737048]
Upgrade: Replaceable parts. You can't replace parts on an iPod yourself.
[/quote]
Replacing and upgrading are 2 separate things. If you replace a battery for example with another identical one, that is not an upgrade.
[/quote]

You'd be surprised what you can order through a mac without visiting an actual website ;)

And if you replace a processor you've had for 5 years with the exact same processor, you're either broke or stupid.

[quote author=Andy link=topic=17000.msg172738#msg172738 date=1189747337]
[quote author=Falcon[anti-yL] link=topic=17000.msg172734#msg172734 date=1189741403]
[quote author=Andy link=topic=17000.msg172729#msg172729 date=1189739200]
OOH! ya, that's one thing a mac can do that a pc can't! Charge you shitloads for cheap knockoffs of standard equipment!
[/quote]
I didn't know a Mac can charge you money, I always thought Apple was the one doing that.

[quote author=Andy link=topic=17000.msg172723#msg172723 date=1189737048]
Upgrade: Replaceable parts. You can't replace parts on an iPod yourself.
[/quote]
Replacing and upgrading are 2 separate things. If you replace a battery for example with another identical one, that is not an upgrade.
[/quote]

You'd be surprised what you can order through a mac without visiting an actual website ;)

And if you replace a processor you've had for 5 years with the exact same processor, you're either broke or stupid.
[/quote]
What about faulty components? Maybe I just replaced a component to get it to work, and didn't really need something better.

Then you're stupid.  A component is faulty if 1) it's old or 2) it's a piece of crap.  If it's old, you can probably get a better part for the same price you paid for the original.  If it's a piece of crap and you get it again, you're an idiot.

Wow. Thanks for backing me up, rabbit!

[quote author=rabbit link=topic=17000.msg172748#msg172748 date=1189784580]
Then you're stupid.  A component is faulty if 1) it's old or 2) it's a piece of crap.  If it's old, you can probably get a better part for the same price you paid for the original.  If it's a piece of crap and you get it again, you're an idiot.
[/quote]
A faulty component doesn't necessarily mean the cause is one of those two things. Besides, my point was that replacing is not the same as upgrading, and not whether the choice of replacement was a smart decision or not.

[quote author=Falcon[anti-yL] link=topic=17000.msg172719#msg172719 date=1189733395]
Replacing and upgrading are 2 separate things. If you replace a battery for example with another identical one, that is not an upgrade.
[/quote]
Upgrading is replacing a component with a better one, but replacing simply means replacing, the replacement could be a crappier or a better one or even the same. Whether it was a smart decision or not is irrelevant in the case I'm trying to make.

And our point is that anyone who replaces a component with one of equal or lesser quality should not be doing so under normal circumstances. If you replace something, it makes logical sense to upgrade at the same time, since whatever you're replacing's newest version is probably the same price as whatever old version you bought before was when you bought it, if not cheaper.

[quote author=Andy link=topic=17000.msg172754#msg172754 date=1189786255]
And our point is that anyone who replaces a component with one of equal or lesser quality should not be doing so under normal circumstances. If you replace something, it makes logical sense to upgrade at the same time, since whatever you're replacing's newest version is probably the same price as whatever old version you bought before was when you bought it, if not cheaper.
[/quote]
... If you agree with me then you agree that replace and upgrade are two different things, if you disagree then you believe that replace and upgrade are the same thing, its that simple. I don't care about whether it makes logical sense to upgrade when replacing. I stated my reasons and examples to support my belief, if you believe otherwise, then please do give explanations of why you think "replace" and "upgrade" mean the same thing. Even though upgrading makes logical sense, does that change the fact that the two words have different meanings?

So you don't believe different situations have different definitions? Logic is truth, and truth makes authority, not the other way around.

[quote author=Andy link=topic=17000.msg172758#msg172758 date=1189793991]
So you don't believe different situations have different definitions? Logic is truth, and truth makes authority, not the other way around.
[/quote]
In this case if different situations produce different definitions, then a new word is created for the definition, but not a new definition for the same word. This is why the word "upgrade" was created to mean getting something better than what you had before, but the definition of replace is still "to provide a substitute or equivalent in the place of:". The fact that it is possible to replace without upgrading proves that they are not the same.

On to logic, how can you set a standard for logic? Is it not possible that what you consider logical may be different from someone else's? For example lets say that you upgrade your computer every year because its logical to you to keep up with technology, however someone else may consider it logical to save the money spent on upgrade parts and just use the computer until it dies. How do you decide which decision is more "logical" in this case?

Dropping hardware prices create the logic behind replacing equaling upgrading.

[quote author=Andy link=topic=17000.msg172760#msg172760 date=1189795695]
Dropping hardware prices create the logic behind replacing equaling upgrading.
[/quote]
For you maybe, but is that "logic" universal? I doubt it.

I'd put my money on it (pun intended).