http://csnation.counter-strike.net/articles.php/117/


I know there is a post below about it, but people should check the preview out.

Has anybody played the beta yet?  It's really quite good.

I heard it sux. Haven't played it though.

to bad its a beta..

Its Condition Zero.

no it is not!

It's the counter-strike v1.6 update. The update is essentially the exact same thing as the Condition Zero you will be able to purchase in stores, with the exception that you will not have single player missions available and you will not have the higher detailed models.

The beta is the update beta, not the retail beta.

no.. CZ comes with different weapons and stuff ;p

Yes, CS 1.6 is in essence Condition Zero as I said...
I can't find a quote at the momment so I'll just hand you the site, look around I'm sure you can find it somewhere.
http://csnation.counter-strike.net/view.php/csinfo/next.csn

[quote author=j0k3r link=board=3;threadid=165;start=0#msg13474 date=1057104538]
Yes, CS 1.6 is in essence Condition Zero as I said...
I can't find a quote at the momment so I'll just hand you the site, look around I'm sure you can find it somewhere.
http://csnation.counter-strike.net/view.php/csinfo/next.csn
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No it's not. CS 1.6 doesn't have single player missions like CZ will have which, in IMO, makes CZ what it is. They're migrating towards CZ, but they're not fully there; and that's only so people who buy CZ can play online.

CZ's going to be useless, since CS2 is already in development based on the Source engine.

[quote author=j0k3r link=board=3;threadid=165;start=0#msg13451 date=1057093035]
It's the counter-strike v1.6 update. The update is essentially the exact same thing as the Condition Zero you will be able to purchase in stores, with the exception that you will not have single player missions available and you will not have the higher detailed models.

The beta is the update beta, not the retail beta.
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Reading helps ;)

Naem, I'd like to see some evidence towards that...

[quote author=j0k3r link=board=3;threadid=165;start=0#msg13593 date=1057153568]
Reading helps ;)
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Yes I know, but my point was and still is that the only reason people are going to buy CZ is for the single player missions. Also, what about new/updated maps? Or the LAW? Or the blowtorch? Or the reskined weapons? I highly doubt this 1.6 beta will become Condition Zero. Condition Zero is a completely different game with different tactics and organization. Too add to that, Ritualistic announced that "Valve plans to integrate CS with CZ by releasing Counter-Strike 1.7." http://www.ritualistic.com/news/archive/individualday.php3?day=01&month=04&year=2003

I don't know how many times I have to say this...
1.6 is essentially CS:CZ with the exception of a few things, the models (player and gun) are not as high detailed... There will be no single player in CS1.6 due to size issues I'd guess, and apparently (news to me) some maps.
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Owners of either can play with each other as long as they stay off the Condition Zero-exclusive maps
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Everything else will be the same, weapons and all. I don't know what it means with the 1.7 patch but I do know that except for that one source, all of the other times I've read and been toled, CS1.6 is CZ. Anyways nothing can be certain until we actually see the patch, and the game.

However, I am looking forward to HL2 far more than CS:CZ. I downloaded the trailer... Had to change my shorts if you get my drift.

[quote author=j0k3r link=board=3;threadid=165;start=0#msg13694 date=1057202153]
However, I am looking forward to HL2 far more than CS:CZ. I downloaded the trailer... Had to change my shorts if you get my drift.
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As am I. But knowing Valve's track record...I'm not that hyped up.

Track record? The only game that I know of they created was Half-Life - which is one of my favorite games (mods included).

Why would that be? Like I'm sure this will be game of the year... Easily.

[quote author=drivehappy link=board=3;threadid=165;start=15#msg14024 date=1057509659]
Track record? The only game that I know of they created was Half-Life - which is one of my favorite games (mods included).
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Track record meaning being on-time with counter-strike/half-life updates.

Honestly, 1.3/4/5 were great, but in my opinion 1.6 is horrible.

there is a forum board for CS 1.6, that has a list of posts that say for them to take the shield out for CTS

i was playing the other day, unloaded about 2 clips of an AK into the shield and it didnt do anything, once i ran out of bullets or in the middle of reloaded, he gets his pistol out and HS with a deagle

didnt know a tactical shield can handle a lot of AK bullets in real life...

Originally they said it would deflect pistols and weak guns (tmp, mac10) but awp and colt and ak and those guns would still do damage although greatly reduced... I feel that the accuracy of the gun should be waived though, seeing as how it's held with 1 hand (notice now that it's held with 2 hands, in 1.6 you'll have the shield in 1 hand and the gun in the other...).

It should also be able to break, and knock you back some when you are being fired at.

man... i can't wait for cs2, have you guys seen hl2 trailer? it's so fucking realistic.. the mattress bends, the wood breaks, the big dumpster swings and explodes!

they had physics professors help them :O

[quote author=Eden.SeVeN link=board=3;threadid=165;start=15#msg15632 date=1058893960]
i was playing the other day, unloaded about 2 clips of an AK into the shield and it didnt do anything, once i ran out of bullets or in the middle of reloaded, he gets his pistol out and HS with a deagle
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A friend told me that they wanted to make shields block all bullets. And in the current beta version i'm playing right now it does exactly that so u don't shoot at the shield u run at the guy with the shield and try to get a shot at his side or behind.

Splorygon -- When they draw their pistols (the shield users) you can shoot them right?

Noodlez -- Condition Zero is not run on the new HL2 engine unfortunately ???
Unless your talking about Counter-Strike 2 which will still be a long time.

[edit] Not only does the wood BREAK but it splinters and shatters too... it's insane. Being able to move the camera is pretty cool too that must have taken some work I haven't seen that in any other game. I wonder if falling barrels will recieve dents as they fall?

when they move the shield to shoot at you you can aim for their head and get them only if they are hitting you or u can run to the side they are shooting from to try and get a bigger view at their body

They are basing CS2 on the HL2 engine, right?

[quote author=Arta[vL] link=board=3;threadid=165;start=15#msg17506 date=1060408416]
They are basing CS2 on the HL2 engine, right?
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Yes. I suggest you download Steam and check out the media on the servers. Very nice physics and graphics in the HL2 engine.

ooh, i've seen the video. That's why I want CS2 to be based on HL2 :)

that game looks *a-m-a-z-i-n-g* and when it's out I'll put my life on hold and play it in every available waking hour ;D

Haha... If it is it would definitely be nicer, and with any luck it will be like other games (swat2?) where the terrorists must infiltrate a building in the middle of new york from a helicopter and the terrorists have interactive hostages...

Unfortunately you have to wait for HL2 to be released, then for a modder to get the source, then for the modder to make, debug and test it... Basically it will be a long time still.

[quote author=j0k3r link=board=3;threadid=165;start=15#msg17648 date=1060518606]
Unfortunately you have to wait for HL2 to be released, then for a modder to get the source, then for the modder to make, debug and test it... Basically it will be a long time still.
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I hope you're not talking about CS2.

*cough*SDK*cough*

SDK? Yeah I was... CS is not a game of it's own, it's a mod, so it seems logical enough to me that it would be recreated as a mod of HL2.

[quote author=j0k3r link=board=3;threadid=165;start=30#msg17722 date=1060557602]
SDK? Yeah I was...[/quote]

Huh?

[quote author=j0k3r link=board=3;threadid=165;start=30#msg17722 date=1060557602]
SDK? Yeah I was... CS is not a game of it's own, it's a mod, so it seems logical enough to me that it would be recreated as a mod of HL2.
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Yes, but you do realize that Valve has control of Counter-Strike and they are developing HL2. Therefore, they have access to the code and can easily create a CS mod while working on the engine.

Sorry that wasn't clear, I was asking what SDK was and was responding to the other question with "yeah, i was...".

Kamakazie, doesn't that make it it's own game now then? Bah that seems kinda gay.

[quote author=j0k3r link=board=3;threadid=165;start=30#msg17736 date=1060569515]
Sorry that wasn't clear, I was asking what SDK was and was responding to the other question with "yeah, i was...".

Kamakazie, doesn't that make it it's own game now then? Bah that seems kinda gay.
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No, it can still be a mod. SDK stands for Software Developers Kit which (for HL) can be found @ http://collective.valve-erc.com/

How is it a mod if CS2 is developed on HL2 engine, but not on the game itself? It would be it's own game... Bah, oh well it's just something new.