http://www.lcsun-news.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060420/NEWS01/604200322/1001

WTF!?  This is just going to make the voting population disagree with any damn cause the fucking illegals might have!
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That is stupid!  This is just going to make the legal population that can vote more upset and push harder for a wall and other measures. 

[quote]Doña Ana County Commissioner Oscar Vásquez-Butler, a first-generation American, supports the boycott.[/quote]
I will make SURE to vote for someone that is not him when he is up for re-election.


[quote]Las Cruces Public Schools spokeswoman Jo Galván urged students to attend school May 1.

"One of the best ways that students can get involved in this issue is, instead of walking out the door to boycott, stay in class to learn about the issue," she said, adding that she urges teachers to educate students on the immigration debate and discuss the issue.[/quote]
GOD DAMNED RIGHT!
NONE of the retards protesting this BS know what the hell they're talking about, "We're not terrorists" I see chanted & on signs....well NO FUCKING SHIT ASSHOLE!...but you broke into our country the same way the little fuckers that ARE terrorists can break in.
It isn't that the voting population doesn't like you, we don't want to pick strawberries, it's just that you need to pay taxes and we need to secure our border.

You hurt my American livelyhood I'm going to be more likely to want your dumb ass sent back to where ever the hell you can from.



*NOTICE*: ALOT of what I just said is probably really offensive, I'm "hot blooded" right now, some of might change later, but that is the general feeling I have right now.


Also, I'm gonna write this Oscar Vasquez Butler dude, but I need to find the right words (& cool down) in order to tell him to fuck-off and not support protesting the sovereignty of my nation.

Business owner?  Did your employee boycott working on May 1st?

Fire him/her.

Get out of my country foreign illegal immigrants.

This is SUCH bull.

Alright, we need a"Buy American" movement for May5.
Buy everything made in America you can, kind of thing.  I need to figure out how to get this off the ground, too.

May5h, their damn holiday, let's show them where the fuck they are.



[quote]And ironically, the protest targets the U.S. business community, which is one of the strongest supporters of legalization or guest-worker programs.

"At the end of the day, boycotting would only hurt corporations that are backing what people want done in the immigration bill," said Larry Rubin, CEO of the American Chamber of Commerce in Mexico. Rubin is encouraging people to write to their legislators instead of boycotting.[/quote]
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/04/14/mexico.boycott.ap/
See how damn ignorant these protesters are?  They're hurting the people who support them, NICE.  I'm supporting them less & less everytime I see a ridiculous protest.

It isn't just mexicans. It's all Latinos. Everyone here is going to not go to work/school. It's to show America how much they depend on them. It's all over spanish news programs and I think it will be huge.

Hey, I'm just in it for the free day with my gf.

[quote author=Warrior link=topic=14812.msg150967#msg150967 date=1145593928]
It isn't just mexicans. It's all Latinos. Everyone here is going to not go to work/school. It's to show America how much they depend on them. It's all over spanish news programs and I think it will be huge.

Hey, I'm just in it for the free day with my gf.
[/quote]Don't walk out, that is stupid.  Dont support their misinformed cause that doesnt actually exist.

Of course we depend on them, but they depend on us.  Without our money they dont come here & they stay  oppressive Mexico/cuba/etc

[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=14812.msg150956#msg150956 date=1145581538]
Business owner?  Did your employee boycott working on May 1st?

Fire him/her.
[/quote]

That was the Reagan approach against PATCO in the eighties, and it worked very well then.

[quote author=Stealth link=topic=14812.msg150971#msg150971 date=1145602262]
[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=14812.msg150956#msg150956 date=1145581538]
Business owner?  Did your employee boycott working on May 1st?

Fire him/her.
[/quote]

That was the Reagan approach against PATCO in the eighties, and it worked very well then.
[/quote]

It's because it makes sense.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14812.msg150968#msg150968 date=1145596628]
[quote author=Warrior link=topic=14812.msg150967#msg150967 date=1145593928]
It isn't just mexicans. It's all Latinos. Everyone here is going to not go to work/school. It's to show America how much they depend on them. It's all over spanish news programs and I think it will be huge.

Hey, I'm just in it for the free day with my gf.
[/quote]Don't walk out, that is stupid. Dont support their misinformed cause that doesnt actually exist.

Of course we depend on them, but they depend on us. Without our money they dont come here & they stay oppressive Mexico/cuba/etc
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That didn't make sense, if they are being opressed they'd come here for the freedom. I'm doing it because while not supporting the immigrant cause, I'm interested in seeing america run withought latinos for a day.

You make it sound like we are actually reliant on illegal Mexican labor.  If the Mexicans stopped working it might take a few weeks to refill their jobs, but it would happen and then the country would go on as it normally does.

[quote author=Forged link=topic=14812.msg151109#msg151109 date=1145807937]
You make it sound like we are actually reliant on illegal Mexican labor.  If the Mexicans stopped working it might take a few weeks to refill their jobs, but it would happen and then the country would go on as it normally does.
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You have no idea how many illegal Mexicans there really are, huh? Come to California and you'll see....

[quote author=Forged link=topic=14812.msg151109#msg151109 date=1145807937]
You make it sound like we are actually reliant on illegal Mexican labor.  If the Mexicans stopped working it might take a few weeks to refill their jobs, but it would happen and then the country would go on as it normally does.
[/quote]

Haha yeah, the housing market in Arizona would die.

[quote author=MyndFyre[vL] link=topic=14812.msg151149#msg151149 date=1145835244]
[quote author=Forged link=topic=14812.msg151109#msg151109 date=1145807937]
You make it sound like we are actually reliant on illegal Mexican labor.  If the Mexicans stopped working it might take a few weeks to refill their jobs, but it would happen and then the country would go on as it normally does.
[/quote]

Haha yeah, the housing market in Arizona would die.
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Same here....I'd guess 75%+ of our construction workers are illegal.  Also, I'd guess that 95%+ of the farm works in New Mexico are illegal.

It was funny, last time i was at home I saw a big protest going on with something that seems to be connected to this. Illegal immigrants protesting with signs saying "We are not criminals" that had their children holding signs like "My daddy is an immigrant" and random crap like that... it was pitiful. I really hope that the INS showed up and hauled them off.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=14812.msg151189#msg151189 date=1145897630]
It was funny, last time i was at home I saw a big protest going on with something that seems to be connected to this. Illegal immigrants protesting with signs saying "We are not criminals" that had their children holding signs like "My daddy is an immigrant" and random crap like that... it was pitiful. I really hope that the INS showed up and hauled them off.
[/quote]I doubt anyone did anything about it.

I saw a dude on CNN that was protesting the illegals' protest...he called local w/e agents to come & pick them up (they had signs proclaiming they were illegal) & no one came to get them :(.
That is SAD when the government won't arrest people that are confessing publically without coersion...that is why I support the Minutemen in their efforts to reclaim America for Americans.

[quote author=Topaz link=topic=14812.msg151143#msg151143 date=1145834007]
[quote author=Forged link=topic=14812.msg151109#msg151109 date=1145807937]
You make it sound like we are actually reliant on illegal Mexican labor.  If the Mexicans stopped working it might take a few weeks to refill their jobs, but it would happen and then the country would go on as it normally does.
[/quote]

You have no idea how many illegal Mexicans there really are, huh? Come to California and you'll see....
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I live in San Antonio, we probablly have more illegals in our city than California...

My point is those jobs could be filled.  People go with the illegal immigrants because they are willing to work cheap and under the table.  The market would balance out if there where no illegals.

...
I think a large number of people will turn out, but I think not in their past unexpected large numbers.  I think people are wising up, I also think people are afraid of punishment (INS raids or losing their job).

Personally, I hope there are MASSIVE INS raids, but that's asking too much of our government to enforce our laws (unfortunately).  I do think alot of people will become even more disgusted with these people and the people who do protest will lose even more support.  Everytime they do something that hurts real Americans, it makes us more angry and less supportive of their "cause" (pfft, what cause, they don't even have a real cause).

Actually, there will be noone going to work here this fine monday. It is the worker's holiday, a day for demonstrating and celebrating the strength of the worker's unions.

[quote author=Adron link=topic=14812.msg151667#msg151667 date=1146457370]
Actually, there will be noone going to work here this fine monday. It is the worker's holiday, a day for demonstrating and celebrating the strength of the worker's unions.
[/quote]hmm, interesting.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14812.msg151668#msg151668 date=1146457761]
[quote author=Adron link=topic=14812.msg151667#msg151667 date=1146457370]
Actually, there will be noone going to work here this fine monday. It is the worker's holiday, a day for demonstrating and celebrating the strength of the worker's unions.
[/quote]hmm, interesting.
[/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Day

Quote:

The Red Scare periods ended May Day as a mass holiday in the United States, a phenomenon which can be seen as somewhat ironic given that May Day originated in Chicago. Meanwhile, in countries other than the United States and United Kingdom, resident working classes fought hard to make May Day an official governmentally-sanctioned holiday, efforts which eventually largely succeeded. For this reason, May Day in most of the world today is marked by huge street rallies of workers led by their trade unions and various large socialist and communist parties — a phenomenon not generally seen in the U.S. (which has a history of strong anti-communism) or the UK.

In most countries other than the U.S. and UK, May Day is often referred to simply as "Labor Day".

Cool stuff, I recall hearing something about them choosing this day specifically because of something to do with labor & Russia, but I didn't catch what...never thought of May Day

And seeing that the whole idea of May Day comes from Chicago anyway... :P

It seems that this "Boycott America" isn't as big as hoped.  I don't think the numbers are as big as expected, especially since the numbers of the last major assemblies were unexpectedly large.

$1.25billion was the estimated loss to the American economy IF all 12million, they didn't.  As I'm seeing on CNN the effect of this "boycott of America" is very small, there will be little effect if any from it.

In my city I saw MAYBE 20 people "protesting"...about 1/3 of which were small children (probably too young to be in school at all).  I chuckled as I drove by. 
The ONE thing I've seen today that pissed me off was that some dumbass highschool punk drew a crude Mexican flag on some cardboard and put it over the American flag that was on a politician's campain sign.

Yay for people wising up and realizing that if you hurt America, America doesn't take kindly to you.  I believe everyone on capital hill was opposed to this boycott (maybe even T. Kennedy, who I guess is "MIA" today after spouting some crazy stuff last week?ish)

I have a theory working on all this, but it is not only related to illegal immigrants, or even just immigration.

For that, I'll start another thread.

There was a HUGE protest here in Alaska. Even though I am only 50% mexican, I still stayed home from school, if you get rid of the immigrants, who will be your maid or run your taco bell? The mexicans helped build america, you can't just put a felony on their record when they aren't even felons.

[quote author=HeRo link=topic=14812.msg151866#msg151866 date=1146632100]
There was a HUGE protest here in Alaska. Even though I am only 50% mexican, I still stayed home from school, if you get rid of the immigrants, who will be your maid or run your taco bell? The mexicans helped build america, you can't just put a felony on their record when they aren't even felons.
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Alaska, interesting, dont hear much about them other than oil & pot.

I don't think many people, especially politicians, are saying get rid of the immigrants.  The big thing is that the illegals want a free pass for citizenship, that isn't fair.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14812.msg151888#msg151888 date=1146662636]
The big thing is that the illegals want a free pass for citizenship, that isn't fair.
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Proof? I gather they just don't want to be labeled felons.

[quote author=dxoigmn link=topic=14812.msg151889#msg151889 date=1146663462]
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14812.msg151888#msg151888 date=1146662636]
The big thing is that the illegals want a free pass for citizenship, that isn't fair.
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Proof? I gather they just don't want to be labeled felons.
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[quote]Mexico lobbies for amnesty[/quote]
Washington Times

[quote]Boycott organizers are demanding amnesty and the chance for the estimated 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States to earn citizenship.[/quote]
(I know, it mentions earning citizenship too, but they still talk about amnesty)
CNN

[quote]"We want to get more support from the American people," said Ricardo Ortega, a demonstration organizer and a founder of Comite Pro-Amnistia General y Justicia Social. In English, that means the Committee for General Amnesty and Social Justice.[/quote]
MSNBC

Last time I checked amnesty is not equal to "a free pass for citizenship."

Amnesty is like a pardon.
Wikipedia on amnesty
[quote]and the 1986 amnesty of illegal aliens pursuant to the Immigration Reform and Control Act that year that legalized over 2,700,000 aliens who either were illegal aliens or didn't qualify for legitimate visas.[/quote]
Amnesty was given to 2.7 million people in 1986, if we give it now the next time could be upwards of 20 or 30 million.

Look at one of the quotes, it says they want amnesty AND a chance to earn their citizenship.  To me that implies that amnesty would be them NOT earning their citzenship

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14812.msg151922#msg151922 date=1146703070]
Amnesty is like a pardon.
Wikipedia on amnesty
[quote]and the 1986 amnesty of illegal aliens pursuant to the Immigration Reform and Control Act that year that legalized over 2,700,000 aliens who either were illegal aliens or didn't qualify for legitimate visas.[/quote]
Amnesty was given to 2.7 million people in 1986, if we give it now the next time could be upwards of 20 or 30 million.

Look at one of the quotes, it says they want amnesty AND a chance to earn their citizenship.  To me that implies that amnesty would be them NOT earning their citzenship
[/quote]

Amnesty is not like a pardon, as the immigrants want it, they want a temporary exemption from prosecution.
A pardon is for someone already convicted.

It's a perfectly reasonable request.  Amnesty from prosecution (except for those with criminal records not related to illegal immigration), give them chance to earn citizenship, and if they don't success, deportation.  If they don't leave, charges and prosecution, followed by deportation with suspended jail sentences.  If they return, activate the prison sentence

But on the whole we really have a problem with immigration.  How many immigrants do we allow in a given year?  Clearly not enough.  We should greatly increase the immigration rate so that we have lower-wage workers available, enabling us to keep factories mills, and manufacturing from leaving the USA and heading to China.

[quote author=Grok link=topic=14812.msg151961#msg151961 date=1146772242]
It's a perfectly reasonable request.  [...]give them chance to earn citizenship[/quote]

I disagree that giving them the chance to earn citizenship is a perfectly reasonable request.

I'm okay with offering temporary work visas and not prosecuting for the millions who are already here.  But for them to have the gall to think that they can break the law and get in ahead of the line of people who did respect the laws is repugnant.

That's why my plan does not involve mass deportations, but it also does not put guest workers on the path to citizenship.

A general pardon granted by a government, especially for political offenses.
[Amnesty (from the Greek amnestia, oblivion) is an act of justice by which the supreme power in a state restores those who may have been guilty of any offence against it to the position of innocent persons. It includes more than pardon, in as much as it obliterates all legal remembrance of the offence.
Some ILLEGAL immigrants want a free pass into America.  Some ILLEGAL immigrants are willing to earn their citizenship.  Close to all ILLEGAL immigrants will not just "go back", they are here and will not leave.

Did you ever think that if we didn't have to spend as much money suppoting illegal immigrants that maybe we would be able to allow more legal ones?  The financial burden of the illegals that don't pay taxes get picked up by everyone else.  If no illegals come in then we have more money plus our immigration numbers go down.  If no illegals come in then we can allow more legal immigration.

I think by greatly increasing the immigration numbers we'd put a larger burden on society.  Legal immigrants pay taxes and receive federal money when they can't/won't work.  If there are too many immigrants and not enough jobs then we have a larger welfare population.  Unless our unemployment rate is quite low (its decently low now, 4.5% I last saw) then we shouldn't be allowing many people to come in because there are those here that don't have work.