[QUOTE author=Bighersh]JD Power & Associates

Which new cars are the most problem free? If you answered Japanese-built cars you would be right, but the domestics are also getting their act together, especially General Motors.

The latest J.D. Power Initial Quality Survey, which rates new vehicles according to the number of problems reported during the first three months of ownership, puts Toyota's Lexus luxury division at the top of the heap, showing the lowest number of problems with its vehicles of any major automaker. Owners of the Lexus SC430 retractable hardtop sport coupe reported just 54 problems per 100 vehicles sold, compared to an industry average of 118 problems per 100 cars.

Overall, Lexus vehicles averaged 81 problems per 100 vehicles sold, an impressive score and substantially better than General Motors' Cadillac luxury division (104 problems per 100 vehicles), Mercedes-Benz (104 problems per 100 vehicles) and Ford Motor Company's Lincoln luxury division (113 problems per 100 vehicles).

Jaguar and BMW also earned top marks for quality, according to the J.D. Power IQS report, with 88 and 95 reported problems per 100 vehicles reported, respectively.

Surprisingly, Honda and its luxury line, Acura, didn't do so well, with 112 and 116 problems per 100 vehicles reported. In other words, new owners of Honda and Acura vehicles reported more problems with their cars than new owners of Cadillac (104 problems) and Buick (100 problems) vehicles.

This is the first time in recent memory that GM vehicles have outscored Honda and Acura on build quality as measured by the number of problems reported by consumers.

Say it isn't so!!!
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GOD Bless America</singing>

That's pretty flippin sweet, just gotta keep climbing to the top & get the fewest problems; then GM shall triumph once again!

um....how is 95/100 good?

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um....how is 95/100 good?
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[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14691.msg149780#msg149780 date=1144187888]
compared to an industry average of 118 problems per 100 cars. [/quote]

lern2reed.

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Wow thats stupid. Its about the long run when they wont last.

If they break new how are they even going to exist in the long run?

Bottom line is no one wants a GM car, they all look bland and people don't want boring cars. It doesn't matter that they are doing better as far as build quality goes, it takes a long time to build a good reputation and as far as the average consumer is concerned today GM = junk. If they are to come back they'll need to redesign thier cars. They're in the process of this, but it may be too late with the possible strike at delphi. If delphi strikes GM will be in a real crisis because delphi is their main parts supplier.

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Wow thats stupid. Its about the long run when they wont last.
[/quote] Gm has the best parts network in the united states. Better than any other domestic or any import.

Look at the 3800 series v6 they put in the pontiac grand prix, buicks, so on and so fourth. That engine was first introduced in 85 I believe (somewhere in there), it is all but perfect. One of the best things about it is that when parts do go, which they will (everything will eventually), everything is right up front. You can get at anything engine real easy (except for maybe the power steering pump, you have to go under the car for that, but that's it). The parts availability plus the simplicity in the underlying design make the cars very reliable and very serviceable.

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Gm has the best parts network in the united states. Better than any other domestic or any import.
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What about Toyota?  They're foreign-owned, but everything is built here, so we don't have the parts problem you attributed to other foreign cars.  And they kicked the shit out of GM and every other car manufacturer in this survey.

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[quote author=quasi-modo link=topic=14691.msg149841#msg149841 date=1144216736]
Gm has the best parts network in the united states. Better than any other domestic or any import.
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What about Toyota?  They're foreign-owned, but everything is built here, so we don't have the parts problem you attributed to other foreign cars.  And they kicked the shit out of GM and every other car manufacturer in this survey.
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I'd like to point out that Japan built Toyotas are better than Amercian built Toyotas...isn't that sad?  Our work quality is being destroyed by extreme measures unions take.  If people had to compete for their job (to weld this little piece of metal to that piece) they'd be doing a HELL of alot better job at it.

Americans are only good at making Trucks and Tires.  That's the bottom line.

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Americans are only good at making Trucks and Tires.  That's the bottom line.
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Agree...our domestic cars blow; the majority anyways.

I disagree. The robots do nice work.

Some prime example of imported domination:
#1
#2 - listen to the engine, oh how powerful :)

[quote author=UserLoser link=topic=14691.msg149925#msg149925 date=1144295631]
Some prime example of imported domination:
#1
#2 - listen to the engine, oh how powerful :)
[/quote]I'd hate to have to listen to a Skyline, but I sure wouldn't mind driving one.  Those coffee can mufflers are obnoxious, I prefer a deep roar.

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[quote author=UserLoser link=topic=14691.msg149925#msg149925 date=1144295631]
Some prime example of imported domination:
#1
#2 - listen to the engine, oh how powerful :)
[/quote]I'd hate to have to listen to a Skyline, but I sure wouldn't mind driving one.  Those coffee can mufflers are obnoxious, I prefer a deep roar.
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They do have a deep roar.  Probably just the sound of it's twin turbo makes it sound different to you, compared to say...some supercharged American car.  I can't really think of any turboed American cars...

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[quote author=UserLoser link=topic=14691.msg149925#msg149925 date=1144295631]
Some prime example of imported domination:
#1
#2 - listen to the engine, oh how powerful :)
[/quote]I'd hate to have to listen to a Skyline, but I sure wouldn't mind driving one.  Those coffee can mufflers are obnoxious, I prefer a deep roar.
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They do have a deep roar.  Probably just the sound of it's twin turbo makes it sound different to you, compared to say...some supercharged American car.  I can't really think of any turboed American cars...
[/quote]Dodge Stealth ;)....which is just a Mitsubishi :(

I prefer a super charger anway. No turbo lag, get the power right away. But I think what crazed was saying is something like: I am driving along, and there is damned civic sitting next to me that sounds like it is dieing and hes accelerating just as fast me... I drive a buick. That high pitched exhaust that some people put on their cars is very annoying. I also prefer the tuned deep throaty exhaust.

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I prefer a super charger anway. No turbo lag, get the power right away. But I think what crazed was saying is something like: I am driving along, and there is damned civic sitting next to me that sounds like it is dieing and hes accelerating just as fast me... I drive a buick. That high pitched exhaust that some people put on their cars is very annoying. I also prefer the tuned deep throaty exhaust.
[/quote]word up!...loud deep exhaust can be bad too, but it doesnt make you want to die like the ricer cars do

American cars can have the same exhausts that some ricers do...duh.  The only reason a majority (if you claim) of imported have loud crappy exhausts, well, to stereotype and tell the truth: blame the mexicans and asains with their civics and integras.  Then again, what about all the ricer cavaliers?  Any car can be classified as a ricer, just more imported cars are more popular for it.  Crappy civics/integras/crxs are easy to come upon because they're old and cheap.  That's just a fact.

However, a civic with an engine swap that's turboed will beat virtually anything out there.  Weight/power ratio + turbo boost.  This can be done to say, an american car too but it just doesn't ever happen.

There's a big difference between ricers and nicely fixed up cars.  Calling any imported car a ricer is just an invalid statement

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I prefer a super charger anway. No turbo lag, get the power right away. But I think what crazed was saying is something like: I am driving along, and there is damned civic sitting next to me that sounds like it is dieing and hes accelerating just as fast me... I drive a buick. That high pitched exhaust that some people put on their cars is very annoying. I also prefer the tuned deep throaty exhaust.
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Deep throaty exhaust...get a mustang gt or something with a >= v8.  Oh hey, a Skyline/Supra with an inline-8 :P

Or one of the new challengers thats just around the corner. Im not a big fan of ford myself.

Shit, drop a tuned (turbo, valve timing, whatever) 350 into the back of a beatle and it will beat anything. I've heard of that being done w/ the right tranny.

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Or one of the new challengers thats just around the corner. Im not a big fan of ford myself.

Shit, drop a tuned (turbo, valve timing, whatever) 350 into the back of a beatle and it will beat anything. I've heard of that being done w/ the right tranny.
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Can beat a lot of things going in only a straight line ::)

Well, wouldnt the Honda driver have got his car to cain the tits off of it?
And the GM driver got his car for the sunday shoping and taking the kids to school? :P
Honda is the shits!

[quote author=Ringo link=topic=14691.msg150145#msg150145 date=1144480710]
Well, wouldnt the Honda driver have got his car to cain the tits off of it?
And the GM driver got his car for the sunday shoping and taking the kids to school? :P
Honda is the shits!
[/quote]yes...?

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14691.msg150150#msg150150 date=1144508708]
[quote author=Ringo link=topic=14691.msg150145#msg150145 date=1144480710]
Well, wouldnt the Honda driver have got his car to cain the tits off of it?
And the GM driver got his car for the sunday shoping and taking the kids to school? :P
Honda is the shits!
[/quote]yes...?
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Yes...!

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[quote author=Ringo link=topic=14691.msg150145#msg150145 date=1144480710]
Well, wouldnt the Honda driver have got his car to cain the tits off of it?
And the GM driver got his car for the sunday shoping and taking the kids to school? :P
Honda is the shits!
[/quote]yes...?
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Yes...!
[/quote]Could yoou explain what that post meant?

I don't understand

hm, replace "shits" with "best"

[quote author=Ringo link=topic=14691.msg150145#msg150145 date=1144480710]
Well, wouldnt the Honda driver have got his car to cain the tits off of it?
And the GM driver got his car for the sunday shoping and taking the kids to school? :P
Honda is the shits!
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"Honda is the shits" is the only part of that thing that made sense to me.

"Cain the tits off of it"?
"the GM driver got his car for the sunday shopping and taking the kids to school"?....I think this means that the GM driver would've bought the car for a daily driver, that's what you mean, yes?

Sounds like the GM driver bought the car to drive to the store and back now and then and not complain about all the problems with the car, so that GM's problem reports would be kept down even though GM cars are really crap. Whereas the Honda user bought his car to use it a lot, and for intense stuff, and reports every single problem there is, so it looks like Honda is worse than GM even though Honda is really the best.

what about caining tits or something?

I'm so damn lost. Yeah, so domestic cars don't last... thats why I see so many damned ghetto sleds on the streets. You know those owners don't take care of their cars yet the cars still run.

Seems like you can run American trucks (some of them) into the ground a few times, too.
I've seen some old Fords & Chevys around town

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14691.msg150286#msg150286 date=1144630596]
Seems like you can run American trucks (some of them) into the ground a few times, too.
I've seen some old Fords & Chevys around town
[/quote] My 1986 silverado had 120,000 miles and was still going amazingly strong... until I flew it into a tree. Its still running today for someone, I sold it to a neighbor who owns a body shop for a grand and he managed to resell it for 2.5 grand, maybe about 700 in profit on it.

Haha, no if you want to see a truck go through hell and still run watch this toyota truck show you who's boss.

[quote author=Trance link=topic=14691.msg150292#msg150292 date=1144632283]
Haha, no if you want to see a truck go through hell and still run watch this toyota truck show you who's boss.
[/quote]I've seen that...I posted it somewhere too, it is insane

I think besides some interior malfunction, like the radio slightly off level, the glove compartment lock uncentered, or the leather/ fabric having a missed stich in its seams...there shouldn't be any reason for these issues. Clearly this shows human error, we need to replace the workers with machines, somehow...Don't worry, there jobs wont be a lost cause!...maybe they can get transfered to putting mc'donalds toys together..Im tired of their non-name brand hot wheel cars breaking on me :(

How do you break a hotwheels car? I mean I can see a matchbox or like something on the level of matchbox. But hotwheels or happymeal hotwheels wanna bes are tough. You can step on those, throw them off a balcony, whatever, and they still roll.