A yes or no, one word answer will suffice for either of these questions. Yes, there is a point to this, but I would like to get a few answers before I get around to it.

Question #1:

Do you think President Bush lied to America when he said quote: "Saddam Hussein's nuclear program and weapons of mass destruction are a threat to the security of the United States of America." ?

And question #2:

Who did you vote for, Bush or Kerry?

#1 - Under the circumstances, I don't think he lied, per se.  I think he honestly believed there was a threat, and felt he had the responsibility for neutralizing it.  However, I believe he acted far too hastily, and didn't accurately assess the threat Iraq actually posed to us.  Nor do I believe he went in with a plan, which is largely why we are in the situation we are in now.

#2 - Personally, I would've voted for Bush under the circumstances of us being in the middle of a national crises & war, and it seemed to me Bush was doing a fairly okay job at handling the situation.  Obviously much changed during the first year of his term.  If we were not however, in a state of crisis, I certainly would not have voted for him & the situation of our economy & other issues are enough to explain why, IMO.

Then again, you may not want to use my answer, since I consider myself a social moderate who leans towards the liberal side more often; although I despise stupid far-left liberals like Hillary Clinton & the Democratic Chairmen.

Sigh @ not reading instructions.

#1: Yes.

#2: Bush.

DM: you can't reasonably expect people to answer yes or no to a question with such complicated implications.

[quote author=Arta[vL] link=topic=14483.msg148102#msg148102 date=1142044449]
DM: you can't reasonably expect people to answer yes or no to such a question with such complicated implications.
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I agree...

Due to thread hijacking, I request that this thread be deleted.  I had a point to make, but you all ruined it.  Thanks.

[quote author=DarkMinion link=topic=14483.msg148081#msg148081 date=1142031481]
A yes or no, one word answer will suffice for either of these questions. Yes, there is a point to this, but I would like to get a few answers before I get around to it.

Question #1:

Do you think President Bush lied to America when he said quote: "Saddam Hussein's nuclear program and weapons of mass destruction are a threat to the security of the United States of America." ?

And question #2:

Who did you vote for, Bush or Kerry?
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1. No
2. No

1.Yes

2.Neither

1. Yes

2. Neither

To all of those who answered Yes....do you think John Kerry is a liar?

Yes

I also think he is a douche bag.

Point of thread: John Kerry was head of the Senate committee that gave George Bush the intelligence on the WMD in Iraq.

Expected answer of Democrats:
1. Yes
2. Kerry


(I'm guessing.)

I have no idea what John Kerry told Bush. What I do know is what Bush told everyone else. For all I know, John Kerry might have told Bush there was no WMD in Iraq. After all, the president could rewrite things as he likes.

[quote author=Adron link=topic=14483.msg148220#msg148220 date=1142208838]
I have no idea what John Kerry told Bush. What I do know is what Bush told everyone else. For all I know, John Kerry might have told Bush there was no WMD in Iraq. After all, the president could rewrite things as he likes.
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Um we're not talking personal conversation.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=14483.msg148223#msg148223 date=1142209408]
Um we're not talking personal conversation.
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So you mean it would be irrelevant if John Kerry and Bush met up in private, John Kerry told Bush that there were no WMD in Iraq, and thereafter Bush goes out and tells the world that there *are* WMD in Iraq?

[quote author=Adron link=topic=14483.msg148224#msg148224 date=1142210247]
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=14483.msg148223#msg148223 date=1142209408]
Um we're not talking personal conversation.
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So you mean it would be irrelevant if John Kerry and Bush met up in private, John Kerry told Bush that there were no WMD in Iraq, and thereafter Bush goes out and tells the world that there *are* WMD in Iraq?
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We'd have no documentation of that, anyway. Why exactly are you trying to turn this around on me? Maybe you didn't read the first post but this thread isn't supposed to to turn into just another debate topic, DM asked the Democrats/Liberals specifically to answer two questions because he was trying to prove a point. Seeing as how I'm certainly not anything near liberal, I simply posted the point I thought he was trying to make.

NO, I don't believe Bush lied to the public, I believe he did what he felt necessary.

YES, I voted for GWB.

1. Yes
2. Neither

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=14483.msg148226#msg148226 date=1142211399]
We'd have no documentation of that, anyway. Why exactly are you trying to turn this around on me? Maybe you didn't read the first post but this thread isn't supposed to to turn into just another debate topic, DM asked the Democrats/Liberals specifically to answer two questions because he was trying to prove a point. Seeing as how I'm certainly not anything near liberal, I simply posted the point I thought he was trying to make.
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Well, his second request didn't ask for a yes/no answer. He asked whether we think John Kerry is a liar, so we are now supposed to theorize and think about that. I.e. back to a debating thread...

Actually, Adron, the point of the thread was that the original quote I provided was actually from John Kerry, not GWB.  And well before Bush had anything to say about it, I might add.

Ah, liars the whole bunch then. When is America ever going to get some trustworthy leaders? Never I guess... Wouldn't be American...

[quote author=Adron link=topic=14483.msg148274#msg148274 date=1142266278]
Ah, liars the whole bunch then. When is America ever going to get some trustworthy leaders? Never I guess... Wouldn't be American...
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It wouldn't be political. 

[quote author=Adron link=topic=14483.msg148274#msg148274 date=1142266278]
When is America ever going to get some trustworthy leaders?
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We have one.

Bush is about as trustworth as reagan and clinton

To answer the original questions:

1. It's hard to say.  On one hand, Bush was misinformed.  On the other, he should have realized it. 
2. Neither.  Even if I lived there, I don't think I would have voted for either.  They both suck. :)

[quote author=iago link=topic=14483.msg148554#msg148554 date=1142625243]
To answer the original questions:

1. It's hard to say.  On one hand, Bush was misinformed.  On the other, he should have realized it. 
2. Neither.  Even if I lived there, I don't think I would have voted for either.  They both suck. :)
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How do you realize you're being misinformed when the information you have points one way?
e.g. Hey iago, I have my phone in my pocket, PSYCH, my pocket is empty!