http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/02/20/ranch.killings.ap/index.html

After some odd years of abuse this kid snapped & took out his family.
Ought he be comitted to some kind of psychiatric ward until he can be "tamed"?

I don't know what my opinion is yet.
Instinct when hearing he killed his stepmom, stepsister, & dad is death, but with the underlying circumstances...how do you rehabilitate a kid that is so disturbed he'd take out his family, even if they were asking for it.

What do y'all think?

it's clearly speculation that he can't be rehabilitated.  we'll leave it to the judge to determine whether he can or cannot and the juvenile care takers who would be responsible for his rehabilitation to testify in determing whether he can be or cannot; not the prosecutor which deems him unrehabitable which you take for fact.  :)

I'm not sure yet if he can be rehabilitated.
[quote]...how do you rehabilitate a kid that is so disturbed he'd take out his family, even if they were asking for it.[/quote]
Seems like it'd be hard...don't know how impossible though.

Ever read (or seen) A Clockwork Orange?  Good ol' aversion therapy should do the trick!

[quote author=Disco link=topic=14317.msg146572#msg146572 date=1140477696]
Ever read (or seen) A Clockwork Orange?  Good ol' aversion therapy should do the trick!
[/quote]That's exactly what I was thinking about.
Some sort of conditioning therapy.
What is to say that it can't become unlearned though? 

He's 16 years old. I'm quite sure there's no way to tell if he can be rehabilitated without trying.

What types of rehab could help, any knowledge about rehab?

He will probably plead insanity.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14317.msg146586#msg146586 date=1140480271]
What types of rehab could help, any knowledge about rehab?
[/quote]

Classical conditioning, Disco mentioned something about it. It's like to the same effect but not as harsh.

My friend went to drug rehab (solitary confinement) and came back a completely different person, although he still does drugs. His personality has changed so drastically that now I think he is crazy, well more crazy than he was before.

yeah, he's been conditioned? to hate people I spose.
Clockwork orange kinda stuff might be able to reverse it, somehow...that'd have to be some serious psychological shit to reverse his mind

Send him off to the military so that he becomes no more than a number.

Send him to a psychologist.

[quote author=Explicit[nK] link=topic=14317.msg146644#msg146644 date=1140514793]
Send him off to the military so that he becomes no more than a number.
[/quote]

Absolutely not.  We do not want unstable people in the military.  Almost every job has some ability to affect the life or death of other people, especially on your own side.  Go watch Full Metal Jacket, a classic, if you haven't already seen it.  If you have, and think the boot camp shooting extreme, it is not.  Far worse things happen that you never hear about when unstable soldiers and marines snap under pressure.

Isn't it possible that the kid just needs something to rely on?  The military could provide that.  A reliable structured environment couldallow the kid to become too occupied to kill people...

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14317.msg146659#msg146659 date=1140535008]
Isn't it possible that the kid just needs something to rely on?  The military could provide that.  A reliable structured environment couldallow the kid to become too occupied to kill people...
[/quote]

The military does not exist to rehabilitate the criminally insane.  It's purpose is to prepare for war, and if ordered to, execute the war plans.

[quote author=Grok link=topic=14317.msg146655#msg146655 date=1140532549]
[quote author=Explicit[nK] link=topic=14317.msg146644#msg146644 date=1140514793]
Send him off to the military so that he becomes no more than a number.
[/quote]

Absolutely not. We do not want unstable people in the military. Almost every job has some ability to affect the life or death of other people, especially on your own side. Go watch Full Metal Jacket, a classic, if you haven't already seen it. If you have, and think the boot camp shooting extreme, it is not. Far worse things happen that you never hear about when unstable soldiers and marines snap under pressure.
[/quote]

What I had in mind was for him to learn discipline, but of course, he'd have to be under close surveillance.  Perhaps rationality (on the boy's part) can be achieved through this.

For the record, I'd rather not compare this with a film.  Reality is something that speaks for itself, and relevating someone to a film is not an approach I'd prefer to compare.

Edit: I forgot to mention that films cannot accurately depict how each unique individual would respond under given circumstances.  Furthermore, films often overexaggerate the conflict whether it be internal or external.

[quote author=Grok link=topic=14317.msg146662#msg146662 date=1140536104]
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14317.msg146659#msg146659 date=1140535008]
Isn't it possible that the kid just needs something to rely on?  The military could provide that.  A reliable structured environment couldallow the kid to become too occupied to kill people...
[/quote]

The military does not exist to rehabilitate the criminally insane.  It's purpose is to prepare for war, and if ordered to, execute the war plans.
[/quote]The military does not exist to do that, of course, however, things can have multiple purposes can they not?

Certainly, but it is most definately NOT a purpose of our military to rehab the criminally insane, as Grok said.

[quote author=DarkMinion link=topic=14317.msg146687#msg146687 date=1140558821]
Certainly, but it is most definately NOT a purpose of our military to rehab the criminally insane, as Grok said.
[/quote]
But couldn't it have the same effect?
If you give the kid a motivation and a purpose in life might he turn around?  If he just sits in a prison being rehabilitated wouldn't he just sit there, get out, commit a crime & go back?

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14317.msg146688#msg146688 date=1140559805]
[quote author=DarkMinion link=topic=14317.msg146687#msg146687 date=1140558821]
Certainly, but it is most definately NOT a purpose of our military to rehab the criminally insane, as Grok said.
[/quote]
But couldn't it have the same effect?
If you give the kid a motivation and a purpose in life might he turn around?  If he just sits in a prison being rehabilitated wouldn't he just sit there, get out, commit a crime & go back?
[/quote]
Why would you give someone who killed his own family an assault rifle?

I'll tell you what Crazed.  We'll run you through BT and get you enough combat experience to be a BT trainer.  Then we'll give you a squad of the criminally insane people and let you rehab them.  Sound like a plan?

I don't know about an entire squad of nuts, but I'm just saying, if he just needs stability & structure in life why couldn't the military provide that?

Or maybe  a bootcamp styled psych ward that gives people something to depend on.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14317.msg146732#msg146732 date=1140578172]
I don't know about an entire squad of nuts, but I'm just saying, if he just needs stability & structure in life why couldn't the military provide that?

Or maybe  a bootcamp styled psych ward that gives people something to depend on.
[/quote]

Jail can provide stability and structure, and not put innocent people at risk of him injuring them.  Win/win.

[quote author=Grok link=topic=14317.msg146756#msg146756 date=1140588196]
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14317.msg146732#msg146732 date=1140578172]
I don't know about an entire squad of nuts, but I'm just saying, if he just needs stability & structure in life why couldn't the military provide that?

Or maybe  a bootcamp styled psych ward that gives people something to depend on.
[/quote]

Jail can provide stability and structure, and not put innocent people at risk of him injuring them.  Win/win.
[/quote]
But does jail offer purpose?  Does it offer the sense that a person is doing good?

As stated in other topics, jail could serve as a place where ideas are spread.

[quote author=Explicit[nK] link=topic=14317.msg146763#msg146763 date=1140591563]
As stated in other topics, jail could serve as a place where ideas are spread.
[/quote]what sorts of ideas?

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14317.msg146775#msg146775 date=1140616434]
[quote author=Explicit[nK] link=topic=14317.msg146763#msg146763 date=1140591563]
As stated in other topics, jail could serve as a place where ideas are spread.
[/quote]what sorts of ideas?
[/quote]

Ideas of deviant nature.