http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060202/ap_on_re_us/apple_ipod_lawsuit;_ylt=AtTh9MIrrINMuzIxioHUSkcDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

The first thing I plan to do after being elected to the Senate is getting stupid people banned/burned at the stake.

WTF dude, if it is too loud just turn it down.  I believe his wound is self inflicted as he had control over it.  You don't see people cutting their hand off suing the knife maker (I haven't seen it anyway).

What are your views on his lawsuit?...justified or not?

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144248#msg144248 date=1138857908]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060202/ap_on_re_us/apple_ipod_lawsuit;_ylt=AtTh9MIrrINMuzIxioHUSkcDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

The first thing I plan to do after being elected to the Senate is getting stupid people banned/burned at the stake.

WTF dude, if it is too loud just turn it down.  I believe his wound is self inflicted as he had control over it.  You don't see people cutting their hand off suing the knife maker (I haven't seen it anyway).

What are your views on his lawsuit?...justified or not?
[/quote]

Dude, you should totally join my political party.  Our main platform is having stupid drivers deported to France.

[quote author=MyndFyre link=topic=14103.msg144253#msg144253 date=1138859226]
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144248#msg144248 date=1138857908]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060202/ap_on_re_us/apple_ipod_lawsuit;_ylt=AtTh9MIrrINMuzIxioHUSkcDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

The first thing I plan to do after being elected to the Senate is getting stupid people banned/burned at the stake.

WTF dude, if it is too loud just turn it down.  I believe his wound is self inflicted as he had control over it.  You don't see people cutting their hand off suing the knife maker (I haven't seen it anyway).

What are your views on his lawsuit?...justified or not?
[/quote]

Dude, you should totally join my political party.  Our main platform is having stupid drivers deported to France.
[/quote]
WHERE do I sign!?
Good thing I have a g/f that can drive, I wouldn't want to lose her with most of all other females leaving.
I couldn't work @ the DMV, I would have moral conflictions with handing a license to a woman.

ANYWAYS, this guy have a case at all?

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144248#msg144248 date=1138857908]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060202/ap_on_re_us/apple_ipod_lawsuit;_ylt=AtTh9MIrrINMuzIxioHUSkcDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

The first thing I plan to do after being elected to the Senate is getting stupid people banned/burned at the stake.

WTF dude, if it is too loud just turn it down.  I believe his wound is self inflicted as he had control over it.  You don't see people cutting their hand off suing the knife maker (I haven't seen it anyway).

What are your views on his lawsuit?...justified or not?
[/quote]

If you post any more stupid crap, I'm going to cut your hand off.  Perhaps then you can be the one suing the knife maker.

[quote author=Lord[nK] link=topic=14103.msg144257#msg144257 date=1138859641]
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144248#msg144248 date=1138857908]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060202/ap_on_re_us/apple_ipod_lawsuit;_ylt=AtTh9MIrrINMuzIxioHUSkcDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

The first thing I plan to do after being elected to the Senate is getting stupid people banned/burned at the stake.

WTF dude, if it is too loud just turn it down.  I believe his wound is self inflicted as he had control over it.  You don't see people cutting their hand off suing the knife maker (I haven't seen it anyway).

What are your views on his lawsuit?...justified or not?
[/quote]
Yeah its stupid, suing someone because you had your mp3player up to loud. 
I'm just asking for opinions if the guy has a case or not.  Does Apple REALLY have any responsibility to warn people that playing their music too loud may damage their hearing?

If you post any more stupid crap, I'm going to cut your hand off.  Perhaps then you can be the one suing the knife maker.
[/quote]

While this is obviously a money-grab lawsuit, Apple is somewhat at fault here, too.  Despite having already been forced to modify the iPods in France to limit the output to 100dB, they apparently did not even put a warning label or insert with the iPods sold elsewhere.  This suit sounds like it wants Apple to do that, and I don't see the harm with forcing Apple to warn idiots that its device is capable of producting ear-damaging levels of sound.  Remember that idiots are not smart, and they may think that although the sound levels are painful(?), they will not damage their hearing.  Surely Apple would not sell them something that can permanently damage their hearing, right?  I'm not saying idiots should be compensated for being stupid, but come on, Apple can include a warning saying "settings over (14 or whatever) can cause permanent hearing loss if used more than 28 seconds per day."

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144255#msg144255 date=1138859478]
[quote author=MyndFyre link=topic=14103.msg144253#msg144253 date=1138859226]
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144248#msg144248 date=1138857908]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060202/ap_on_re_us/apple_ipod_lawsuit;_ylt=AtTh9MIrrINMuzIxioHUSkcDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

The first thing I plan to do after being elected to the Senate is getting stupid people banned/burned at the stake.

WTF dude, if it is too loud just turn it down.  I believe his wound is self inflicted as he had control over it.  You don't see people cutting their hand off suing the knife maker (I haven't seen it anyway).

What are your views on his lawsuit?...justified or not?
[/quote]

Dude, you should totally join my political party.  Our main platform is having stupid drivers deported to France.
[/quote]
WHERE do I sign!?
Good thing I have a g/f that can drive, I wouldn't want to lose her with most of all other females leaving.
I couldn't work @ the DMV, I would have moral conflictions with handing a license to a woman.

ANYWAYS, this guy have a case at all?
[/quote]
I'm in the same boat, my gf driving doesn't scare me at all. However one of her best friends almost killed all of us and doesn't belong on the road.

Ill join your party!


This isn't the most out ragious thing I've heard, I mean people have sued mcdonals for getting fat.

only in america  ::)

"inflammable means flammable? What a country!" - Dr. Nick

[quote author=powered by nissan link=topic=14103.msg144308#msg144308 date=1138921578]
only in america ::)
[/quote]

Hahahaha, so true!

[quote author=Grok link=topic=14103.msg144277#msg144277 date=1138893730]
While this is obviously a money-grab lawsuit, Apple is somewhat at fault here, too.  Despite having already been forced to modify the iPods in France to limit the output to 100dB, they apparently did not even put a warning label or insert with the iPods sold elsewhere.  This suit sounds like it wants Apple to do that, and I don't see the harm with forcing Apple to warn idiots that its device is capable of producting ear-damaging levels of sound.  Remember that idiots are not smart, and they may think that although the sound levels are painful(?), they will not damage their hearing.  Surely Apple would not sell them something that can permanently damage their hearing, right?  I'm not saying idiots should be compensated for being stupid, but come on, Apple can include a warning saying "settings over (14 or whatever) can cause permanent hearing loss if used more than 28 seconds per day."
[/quote]It really amazes me that so many people actually need to be told about that...it seems like common sense that if it hurts, its probably NOT ALL THAT GOOD.

[quote author=rabbit link=topic=14103.msg144351#msg144351 date=1138938604]
[quote author=Grok link=topic=14103.msg144277#msg144277 date=1138893730]
While this is obviously a money-grab lawsuit, Apple is somewhat at fault here, too. Despite having already been forced to modify the iPods in France to limit the output to 100dB, they apparently did not even put a warning label or insert with the iPods sold elsewhere. This suit sounds like it wants Apple to do that, and I don't see the harm with forcing Apple to warn idiots that its device is capable of producting ear-damaging levels of sound. Remember that idiots are not smart, and they may think that although the sound levels are painful(?), they will not damage their hearing. Surely Apple would not sell them something that can permanently damage their hearing, right? I'm not saying idiots should be compensated for being stupid, but come on, Apple can include a warning saying "settings over (14 or whatever) can cause permanent hearing loss if used more than 28 seconds per day."
[/quote]It really amazes me that so many people actually need to be told about that...it seems like common sense that if it hurts, its probably NOT ALL THAT GOOD.
[/quote]

Most people lack common sense.

[quote author=SNiFFeR link=topic=14103.msg144359#msg144359 date=1138941307]
[quote author=rabbit link=topic=14103.msg144351#msg144351 date=1138938604]
[quote author=Grok link=topic=14103.msg144277#msg144277 date=1138893730]
While this is obviously a money-grab lawsuit, Apple is somewhat at fault here, too. Despite having already been forced to modify the iPods in France to limit the output to 100dB, they apparently did not even put a warning label or insert with the iPods sold elsewhere. This suit sounds like it wants Apple to do that, and I don't see the harm with forcing Apple to warn idiots that its device is capable of producting ear-damaging levels of sound. Remember that idiots are not smart, and they may think that although the sound levels are painful(?), they will not damage their hearing. Surely Apple would not sell them something that can permanently damage their hearing, right? I'm not saying idiots should be compensated for being stupid, but come on, Apple can include a warning saying "settings over (14 or whatever) can cause permanent hearing loss if used more than 28 seconds per day."
[/quote]It really amazes me that so many people actually need to be told about that...it seems like common sense that if it hurts, its probably NOT ALL THAT GOOD.
[/quote]

Most people lack common sense.
[/quote]

When designing things like loud headphones and hot coffee, you have to take into account what the more ignorant person will do, then tell them not to do it. 

[quote author=iago link=topic=14103.msg144360#msg144360 date=1138941492]
[quote author=SNiFFeR link=topic=14103.msg144359#msg144359 date=1138941307]
[quote author=rabbit link=topic=14103.msg144351#msg144351 date=1138938604]
[quote author=Grok link=topic=14103.msg144277#msg144277 date=1138893730]
While this is obviously a money-grab lawsuit, Apple is somewhat at fault here, too. Despite having already been forced to modify the iPods in France to limit the output to 100dB, they apparently did not even put a warning label or insert with the iPods sold elsewhere. This suit sounds like it wants Apple to do that, and I don't see the harm with forcing Apple to warn idiots that its device is capable of producting ear-damaging levels of sound. Remember that idiots are not smart, and they may think that although the sound levels are painful(?), they will not damage their hearing. Surely Apple would not sell them something that can permanently damage their hearing, right? I'm not saying idiots should be compensated for being stupid, but come on, Apple can include a warning saying "settings over (14 or whatever) can cause permanent hearing loss if used more than 28 seconds per day."
[/quote]It really amazes me that so many people actually need to be told about that...it seems like common sense that if it hurts, its probably NOT ALL THAT GOOD.
[/quote]

Most people lack common sense.
[/quote]

When designing things like loud headphones and hot coffee, you have to take into account what the more ignorant person will do, then tell them not to do it. 
[/quote]
Or make it kill the ignorant person somehow

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144364#msg144364 date=1138942672]
[quote author=iago link=topic=14103.msg144360#msg144360 date=1138941492]
When designing things like loud headphones and hot coffee, you have to take into account what the more ignorant person will do, then tell them not to do it.
[/quote]
Or make it kill the ignorant person somehow
[/quote]

If it were designed to kill the ignorant person, you'd have family members or close relatives seeking retribution.  Someone should go to the man's property, slip and take a hard dive on some dog feces (if he has a dog) that's on the sidewalk in front of his yard, and then sue him for your injuries.

Oh, the ignorance.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144364#msg144364 date=1138942672]
Or make it kill the ignorant person somehow
[/quote]

Why are you so pro death-penalty?  I guess you've never done anything stupid before? 

[quote author=iago link=topic=14103.msg144375#msg144375 date=1138944277]
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144364#msg144364 date=1138942672]
Or make it kill the ignorant person somehow
[/quote]

Why are you so pro death-penalty?  I guess you've never done anything stupid before? 
[/quote]I did crap my pants tonight.
But intentionally?...no, nothing dumb here.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144376#msg144376 date=1138944645]
[quote author=iago link=topic=14103.msg144375#msg144375 date=1138944277]
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144364#msg144364 date=1138942672]
Or make it kill the ignorant person somehow
[/quote]

Why are you so pro death-penalty?  I guess you've never done anything stupid before? 
[/quote]I did crap my pants tonight.
But intentionally?...no, nothing dumb here.
[/quote]

You are always talking about about how you support killing, beating, nuking, and torturing people.  I'm starting to wonder if that indicates a problem that maybe you should be locked up for.  If you think that violence is a solution to every problem, then it's a small step for you to hurt/kill somebody if they piss you off.  Perhaps you should be locked up (and maybe tortured or killed) to make sure that this doesn't ever happen?

[quote author=iago link=topic=14103.msg144402#msg144402 date=1138982896]
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144376#msg144376 date=1138944645]
[quote author=iago link=topic=14103.msg144375#msg144375 date=1138944277]
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144364#msg144364 date=1138942672]
Or make it kill the ignorant person somehow
[/quote]

Why are you so pro death-penalty?  I guess you've never done anything stupid before? 
[/quote]I did crap my pants tonight.
But intentionally?...no, nothing dumb here.
[/quote]

You are always talking about about how you support killing, beating, nuking, and torturing people.  I'm starting to wonder if that indicates a problem that maybe you should be locked up for.  If you think that violence is a solution to every problem, then it's a small step for you to hurt/kill somebody if they piss you off.  Perhaps you should be locked up (and maybe tortured or killed) to make sure that this doesn't ever happen?
[/quote]i dont support beating people, beating is sensless

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144405#msg144405 date=1138983764]
i dont support beating people, beating is sensless
[/quote]

It sure sounds like you support it:
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14008.msg143141#msg143141 date=1138229710]
I believe there to be nothing curel [...] about letting the grandma take a few whacks at the kid, it is punishment.
[...]
If the tire iron kills/cripples the kid it becomes a 100% effective deterrent against physical crimes for that kid.
[/quote]

[quote author=iago link=topic=14103.msg144410#msg144410 date=1138984879]
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14103.msg144405#msg144405 date=1138983764]
i dont support beating people, beating is sensless
[/quote]

It sure sounds like you support it:
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14008.msg143141#msg143141 date=1138229710]
I believe there to be nothing curel [...] about letting the grandma take a few whacks at the kid, it is punishment.
[...]
If the tire iron kills/cripples the kid it becomes a 100% effective deterrent against physical crimes for that kid.
[/quote]
[/quote]
-The grandma should be allowed to punish her grandson.
-The tire iron would be a 100% effective deterrent, I didn't say it was right or that I supported crippling a kid.

Ok fine, you don't support "beat"ing people (by your definition of the word). 

You support killing, nuking, torturing, and letting grandmas hit a kid with a tire iron.  My statement stands about you being one of the "problems".

[quote author=iago link=topic=14103.msg144471#msg144471 date=1139010006]
Ok fine, you don't support "beat"ing people (by your definition of the word). 

You support killing, nuking, torturing, and letting grandmas hit a kid with a tire iron.  My statement stands about you being one of the "problems".
[/quote]
I support killing in certain circumstanes.
Where did I say the grandma should hhit her kid with the tire iron?  I just think it'd be a very effective punishment/detterent

The kid seemed pretty fucked up, there were plenty of beatings due that he should've been given (which, in MY particular experience, was a very useful deterrent in behaving in a civilized fashion).

On Topic:

I've used an iPod on numerous ocassions, and when I actually measured the decibel level, I was surprised (approximately 92dBl). It's difficult to know about the hearing loss, because everyone's comfort level and tastes vary (eg, listening to soft music rather than hardcore metal would do less damage). Apple should've been more careful about this, since they're potentially subjecting millions of people to gradual hearing loss.