on the 15th of Jan, I sold this one program to a client of mine (freelance) and he paid over pp with a cc. He later did a chargeback and I have now been tring to fight with PP over $147. I responded to the chargeback and claimed "Intellectual Property" as my work is copyrighted and it is now the 31st and still no response with PP. In the event that PP doesnt pay me. What would my opitions be?

Suck it up.

For $147, not a lot. You could get an IP attorney to write a letter to them and that might help, but it'd probably cost you more than you'd get back.

if it's under 200 you can't even take the guy to small claims court in most states.

I doubt you have a copyright.

[quote author=quasi-modo link=topic=14062.msg143901#msg143901 date=1138722470]
if it's under 200 you can't even take the guy to small claims court in most states.
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Source? I've never heard of such a thing. However, there is a maximum amount you may sue for in small claims court.

[quote author=DarkMinion link=topic=14062.msg143902#msg143902 date=1138722607]
I doubt you have a copyright.
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Any reasoning behind that?

Common sense...most people that program don't go out and seek patents/copyrights for the stuff they create, but still claim their creation is "copyrighted."

It is.

I'd kill a man for $147.00 - You got his name and address.  Go to publicrecords.com  find out where he lives and threaten his life.

[quote author=DarkMinion link=topic=14062.msg143904#msg143904 date=1138723606]
Common sense...most people that program don't go out and seek patents/copyrights for the stuff they create, but still claim their creation is "copyrighted."
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That's incorrect.  By virtue of writing something you own a copyright to it under US law.  To get a court to enforce it, you have to register the copyright.  Copyright registration can come ex post facto (it can be don after the infringement was made) and still hold up in court, too, because you own the copyright as soon as you make whatever it is you made.

This is distinct from patents which are not in effect until a third party approves them (in the US, the US Patent Office).

[quote author=dxoigmn link=topic=14062.msg143903#msg143903 date=1138723197]
[quote author=quasi-modo link=topic=14062.msg143901#msg143901 date=1138722470]
if it's under 200 you can't even take the guy to small claims court in most states.
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Source? I've never heard of such a thing. However, there is a maximum amount you may sue for in small claims court.

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No, I didn't look this up before I posted it, but I don't feel like looking this up when I've run into it before. Don't demand sources for things like this.

"Don't make me cite my sources when I can't be bothered!"

lol

exactly, i have better things to do then site sources for trivial things. Now if this were one of our big political or religious debates that is another thing entirely.

[quote author=quasi-modo link=topic=14062.msg143927#msg143927 date=1138742154]
exactly, i have better things to do then site sources for trivial things. Now if this were one of our big political or religious debates that is another thing entirely.
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God doesn't want you to own a copyright.

[quote author=MyndFyre link=topic=14062.msg143928#msg143928 date=1138742370]
[quote author=quasi-modo link=topic=14062.msg143927#msg143927 date=1138742154]
exactly, i have better things to do then site sources for trivial things. Now if this were one of our big political or religious debates that is another thing entirely.
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God doesn't want you to own a copyright.
[/quote] Huh? I was talking about my small claim's statement :x


In other news: You guys all suck... currently in my county you can bring something for under 200 to court... but the filing fee is 80 bucks. So youd have to sue the guy for about 300 (assuming you pay the optional 20 dollar online filing conveiniance charge).

But I sware that was not the case when I was thinking of sueing someone for screwing for the cost to paint the top of the back bumper of my car!

[quote author=MyndFyre link=topic=14062.msg143928#msg143928 date=1138742370]
God doesn't want you to own a copyright.
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rofl!!

It wouldn't have been such a big deal, quasi, if you weren't trying to discourage him from getting his money back. Don't be like C***d and post facts (especially incorrect facts) without sources; does no one any good and just spreads misinformation.

Edited per Invert's request, even though it's not a personal attack in the sense that I****t uses them.
Edit 2: Whoops that might be construed as a personal attack as well. Edited again.

[quote author=dxoigmn link=topic=14062.msg143946#msg143946 date=1138745094]
It wouldn't have been such a big deal, quasi, if you weren't trying to discourage him from getting his money back. Don't be like CrAz3d and post facts (especially incorrect facts) without sources; does no one any good and just spreads misinformation.
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That is a personal attack on a person that is not even involved in this discussion.

[quote author=dxoigmn link=topic=14062.msg143946#msg143946 date=1138745094]
It wouldn't have been such a big deal, quasi, if you weren't trying to discourage him from getting his money back. Don't be like CrAz3d and post facts (especially incorrect facts) without sources; does no one any good and just spreads misinformation.
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Where was this at?
[quote author=Invert link=topic=14062.msg143951#msg143951 date=1138745336]
[quote author=dxoigmn link=topic=14062.msg143946#msg143946 date=1138745094]
It wouldn't have been such a big deal, quasi, if you weren't trying to discourage him from getting his money back. Don't be like CrAz3d and post facts (especially incorrect facts) without sources; does no one any good and just spreads misinformation.
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That is a personal attack on a person that is not even involved in this discussion.
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That doesn't include sources to support his argument  ;D


On topicness:
If you can complain to PP (???) & get your money then go for it, otherwise it'd take alot of time and effort to fight it out in small claims making it not worth it in the long run.  By the time the case is settled you could've written 3-4 more programs and sold them for $160 trying to make up for your loss.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14062.msg143956#msg143956 date=1138745519]
[quote author=dxoigmn link=topic=14062.msg143946#msg143946 date=1138745094]
It wouldn't have been such a big deal, quasi, if you weren't trying to discourage him from getting his money back. Don't be like CrAz3d and post facts (especially incorrect facts) without sources; does no one any good and just spreads misinformation.
[/quote]...........
Where was this at?
[/quote]

He posted bad (and discouraging) information in the negative.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14062.msg143956#msg143956 date=1138745519]
If you can complain to PP (???) & get your money then go for it, otherwise it'd take alot of time and effort to fight it out in small claims making it not worth it in the long run.  By the time the case is settled you could've written 3-4 more programs and sold them for $160 trying to make up for your loss.
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Small claims courts is not meant to "take a lot of time and effort." You go to court, tell the judge your case, the judge rules, and you collect your money. It's not hard, it's like the court shows you see on TV--quick and easy.

[quote author=dxoigmn link=topic=14062.msg143960#msg143960 date=1138745845]
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14062.msg143956#msg143956 date=1138745519]
[quote author=dxoigmn link=topic=14062.msg143946#msg143946 date=1138745094]
It wouldn't have been such a big deal, quasi, if you weren't trying to discourage him from getting his money back. Don't be like CrAz3d and post facts (especially incorrect facts) without sources; does no one any good and just spreads misinformation.
[/quote]...........
Where was this at?
[/quote]

He posted bad (and discouraging) information in the negative.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14062.msg143956#msg143956 date=1138745519]
If you can complain to PP (???) & get your money then go for it, otherwise it'd take alot of time and effort to fight it out in small claims making it not worth it in the long run.  By the time the case is settled you could've written 3-4 more programs and sold them for $160 trying to make up for your loss.
[/quote]

Small claims courts is not meant to "take a lot of time and effort." You go to court, tell the judge your case, the judge rules, and you collect your money. It's not hard, it's like the court shows you see on TV--quick and easy.
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You have to submit all of the documents to the correct court, you have to notify whomever you're suing (probably doesn't take much in small claims though), you have to wait for the court to schedule you & file your documents & such, it could take a good month or so...you odn't just walk in & say "hi, I'm here to sue this guy"...wel you can & they'll help you get started, but you get my point.

I doubt Savior paid 80$ for a copyright.

Topaz: I started my own company selling retail stuff (Online) and I copyrighted my company name and used that in my programs also

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=14062.msg143974#msg143974 date=1138746790]
You have to submit all of the documents to the correct court, you have to notify whomever you're suing (probably doesn't take much in small claims though), you have to wait for the court to schedule you & file your documents & such, it could take a good month or so...you odn't just walk in & say "hi, I'm here to sue this guy"...wel you can & they'll help you get started, but you get my point.
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That's all very trivial and not very time consuming compared to say going to court and arguing your case. I don't considering waiting "taking a lot of time and effort" because other work can be done during that time.

[quote author=dxoigmn link=topic=14062.msg143946#msg143946 date=1138745094]
It wouldn't have been such a big deal, quasi, if you weren't trying to discourage him from getting his money back. Don't be like C***d and post facts (especially incorrect facts) without sources; does no one any good and just spreads misinformation.

Edited per Invert's request, even though it's not a personal attack in the sense that I****t uses them.
Edit 2: Whoops that might be construed as a personal attack as well. Edited again.

[/quote] Well okay, assuming that this guy can even be taken to small claims court (assuming he lives within reasonable distance i.e. the same county), then you have to take into consideration that some courts might not allow you to file a claim below 200... and the maximum ammount varies from place to place as well.

Also, in many places you can even just file all of the paper work online these days. But still if this was all done over the internet I don't understand how small claims is going to work if the guy lives in another state. I think you'd be SOL.