[size=12pt]"Canadian officials, seeking to make sense of another fatal shooting" I know we can blame U.S. for all of our problems, this way we can pretend that our country does not have any problems.[/size]

Some Canadian shoots some people and they blame the U.S. for it not the Canadian that did the shooting.

See what liberalism does to a country, next thing you know they will ban movies made in U.S., they will ban video games made in U.S. that have some sort of violence in them. Canada is going to turn into another Iran.


http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/12/27/canada.crime.ap/index.html

OUCH

ROFL


YES BLAME THE AMERICANS FOR SMUGGLING

ROFL

[quote author=Invert link=topic=13681.msg139640#msg139640 date=1135796098]
See what liberalism does to a country, next thing you know they will ban movies made in U.S., they will ban video games made in U.S. that have some sort of violence in them. Canada is going to turn into another Iran.
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Sounds more like the direction the US has been heading for some time now with all this crazy legislation on movies and video games.

[quote author=dxoigmn link=topic=13681.msg139658#msg139658 date=1135799869]
[quote author=Invert link=topic=13681.msg139640#msg139640 date=1135796098]
See what liberalism does to a country, next thing you know they will ban movies made in U.S., they will ban video games made in U.S. that have some sort of violence in them. Canada is going to turn into another Iran.
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Sounds more like the direction the US has been heading for some time now with all this crazy legislation on movies and video games.
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You're right.

It's a tightrope that the United States walks on, one side is your radical liberal and on the other is your radical conservative. We tend to fall off that tightrope sometimes to the left and sometimes to the right. We know that if we ever fall down the middle we will get our balls crushed, the left one and the right one. So what do we do?

Morality is what we need and not radicalism.

[quote author=Invert link=topic=13681.msg139640#msg139640 date=1135796098]
See what liberalism does to a country, next thing you know they will ban movies made in U.S., they will ban video games made in U.S. that have some sort of violence in them.
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That is not liberalism.

Crazy kanucks, why don't THEY make stricter laws?

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[quote author=Invert link=topic=13681.msg139640#msg139640 date=1135796098]
See what liberalism does to a country, next thing you know they will ban movies made in U.S., they will ban video games made in U.S. that have some sort of violence in them.
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That is not liberalism.
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Of course it is an act of liberalism. Blaming the gun manufacturer rather than the person that used the gun is up that alley. Blaming the United States for the shootings and not the shooters is as liberal as you can get. Liberalism makes the shooter a victim because they would say that guns were forced upon him (poor shooter).

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[quote author=Arta[vL] link=topic=13681.msg139663#msg139663 date=1135805048]
[quote author=Invert link=topic=13681.msg139640#msg139640 date=1135796098]
See what liberalism does to a country, next thing you know they will ban movies made in U.S., they will ban video games made in U.S. that have some sort of violence in them.
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That is not liberalism.
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Of course it is an act of liberalism. Blaming the gun manufacturer rather than the person that used the gun is up that alley. Blaming the United States for the shootings and not the shooters is as liberal as you can get. Liberalism makes the shooter a victim because they would say that guns were forced upon him (poor shooter).
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I remember when the word "liberalism" shared meaning with its close relative "liberty."  It was a long.... long..... time ago.

Blaming the US for allowing guns is as dumb as blaming countries because terrorists live in them.  In both cases, a country contains something that is seen as a threat to lives of people from your own country, so just blame the other country!  And apparently, that's enough to go to war over, so...

[quote author=Invert link=topic=13681.msg139668#msg139668 date=1135811332]
Of course it is an act of liberalism. Blaming the gun manufacturer rather than the person that used the gun is up that alley. Blaming the United States for the shootings and not the shooters is as liberal as you can get. Liberalism makes the shooter a victim because they would say that guns were forced upon him (poor shooter).
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None of that is liberalism either.

[quote author=MyndFyre link=topic=13681.msg139669#msg139669 date=1135813092]
I remember when the word "liberalism" shared meaning with its close relative "liberty."  It was a long.... long..... time ago.
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Not here. I'm reclaiming it, unless a new word has arisen to replace it. I'm sick to death of people associating liberalism with softy morons lacking in any kind of personal responsibility and expecting everyone else to solve their problems. It's a crock.

[size=1]MF edit: combined two posts[/size]

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[quote author=MyndFyre link=topic=13681.msg139669#msg139669 date=1135813092]
I remember when the word "liberalism" shared meaning with its close relative "liberty."  It was a long.... long..... time ago.
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Not here. I'm reclaiming it, unless a new word has arisen to replace it. I'm sick to death of people associating liberalism with softy morons lacking in any kind of personal responsibility and expecting everyone else to solve their problems. It's a crock.
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Well I hate to tell you, but that's what we think of people deemed "liberals" in the US.  It's because that's what the Democratic party, who claims to be "liberal," espouses.  An American conservative is actually attempting to conserve Lockean liberalism and Smith capitalism.  (That's why we say Bush is a neocon and not a true conservative).

Of course, saying you're a Libertarian is almost as bad as saying you're a democrat.

[quote author=MyndFyre link=topic=13681.msg139679#msg139679 date=1135815297]
Well I hate to tell you, but that's what we think of people deemed "liberals" in the US.
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I'm not so sure about that. I think that's a political fabrication. I haven't met anyone who has those kinds of views and identifies themselves as a liberal.

This canada thing isn't liberalism, its leftism.

Canada doesn't need stricter laws. The majority of it's citizens are sane beings, who wouldn't shoot someone. However, when an American gives a Canadian a gun, he'll be temped to use it. It would be up to the American's to not give the Canadian's their guns, not for the Canadians to reject them.

I was going to call the Canadians uneducated, but then I realized that Spht, iago, and I would probably hate me for doing that. =)

WTF Joe.  So because I fucking give you a gun & you shoot your mom it's my fault?

http://www.x86labs.org:81/forum/index.php/topic,4342.0.html

I blame Columbians for the drugs, and Americans for the guns.

Crazed: Yes.

Of course it is, you're providing him with the murder weapon and he's comitting the murder.
But this is a different situation, these people BUY the guns from the US and the vendor has NO idea it is for the use of hurting someone.

And if a canadian obtains a gun and shoots someone you'd have to question his "sanity" like you said. What SANE person (as you put it) is tempted to kill someone? By your definition I'd take Canadians as psychopaths.

Let me rephrase...

I legally sell a dude I don't know a gun (we're both of age & go through all w/e laws).  He sells it to you, you kill your mom, my fault?

I legally sell YOU a gun, you kill your mom, my fault?

Nay

...You sell guns for a living. That doesn't mean you kill people; you just provide the means for doing so. If the person goes looking for you to specifically buy guns from you, that person is going to end up with a gun whether or not you sell it to him. Blame the canadians for being gun-hungry, not the Americans for selling it to them.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13681.msg140932#msg140932 date=1136627866]
Let me rephrase...

I legally sell a dude I don't know a gun (we're both of age & go through all w/e laws).  He sells it to you, you kill your mom, my fault?

I legally sell YOU a gun, you kill your mom, my fault?

Nay
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I was making a point: If you sell a gun TO KILL someone PURPOSELY it's your fault
If you sell a gun at say a store which could be used for things like hunting and protection you can't expect him to get blamed for that.

People kill People so unless we throw guns at thier doorsteps and say here go kill a canadian, it isn't our fault.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13681.msg140932#msg140932 date=1136627866]
I legally sell YOU a gun, you kill your mom, my fault?
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Blame the laws that let you sell the gun legally ;)

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[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13681.msg140932#msg140932 date=1136627866]
Let me rephrase...

I legally sell a dude I don't know a gun (we're both of age & go through all w/e laws).  He sells it to you, you kill your mom, my fault?

I legally sell YOU a gun, you kill your mom, my fault?

Nay
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I was making a point: If you sell a gun TO KILL someone PURPOSELY it's your fault
If you sell a gun at say a store which could be used for things like hunting and protection you can't expect him to get blamed for that.

People kill People so unless we throw guns at thier doorsteps and say here go kill a canadian, it isn't our fault.
[/quote]How do you sell a gun to kill someone?

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[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13681.msg140932#msg140932 date=1136627866]
I legally sell YOU a gun, you kill your mom, my fault?
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Blame the laws that let you sell the gun legally ;)
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Guns don't kill people, people kill people. With all my extensive experience (Being an Infantry man in the Army) with guns I have never seen a gun shoot something without a person using it to shoot something.

You might say that if we did not have guns people would not be able to use them to shoot, well that would not be very liberal of you. I will tell you that if we did not have the shooter the gun would not be shot.

Liberalism is a big contradiction in itself. A liberal want to take my freedom away of owning a gun a right that is given to me by the constitution and wants the government to enforce this! Last time I checked the ideals of liberalism are to give me more freedoms and keep the government out of my life. This is why liberalism is such a big joke to those who have their eyes open.

Now a day's people turned what good ideals liberalism had to offer into anti-men, anti-military, anti-culture, anti-language, anti-boarders, anti-religion and anti-heterosexual.

Why the fuck do I need to search for English on my damn voting ballot?! Why the fuck do I need to press "2" for English!?

This makes me sick!

[quote author=Adron link=topic=13681.msg140937#msg140937 date=1136637816]
Blame the laws that let you sell the gun legally ;)
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Law is corrupt. I think its pretty obvious when some one sues you after trying to enter your house from a roof window,  fall through, and cut himself by one of your kitchen knives. Or how about the person is tress passing on your territory, and you have dogs, he gets bitten, and sues you for that.

Lame bullshit. Money is power  ::)

[quote author=WoOdTroll link=topic=13681.msg141015#msg141015 date=1136693090]
Law is corrupt. I think its pretty obvious when some one sues you after trying to enter your house from a roof window,  fall through, and cut himself by one of your kitchen knives.
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Wasn't that described in a scene from Liar Liar with Jim Carrey and his secretary?  I didn't know it actually happened, so can you find me the article?

[quote author=Invert link=topic=13681.msg141004#msg141004 date=1136687464]
Liberalism is a big contradiction in itself. A liberal want to take my freedom away of owning a gun a right that is given to me by the constitution and wants the government to enforce this! Last time I checked the ideals of liberalism are to give me more freedoms and keep the government out of my life. This is why liberalism is such a big joke to those who have their eyes open.
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Do you even know any liberals, or are you just spouting this nonsense parrot-fasion? Have you ever seen me indicate that that's what I think? I don't know what you understand by the term "liberalism", but it's clearly not the same as my impression.

These constant rants against the liberal ideal are getting pretty boring, especially since they're so uninformed.

I want my own nuclear missile. So did Saddam Hussein. And surely so does Afghanistan, Iran, the Palestinians and everyone else. Start handing out! There is nothing wrong with nukes, they do not fire themselves!

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[quote author=Invert link=topic=13681.msg141004#msg141004 date=1136687464]
Liberalism is a big contradiction in itself. A liberal want to take my freedom away of owning a gun a right that is given to me by the constitution and wants the government to enforce this! Last time I checked the ideals of liberalism are to give me more freedoms and keep the government out of my life. This is why liberalism is such a big joke to those who have their eyes open.
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Do you even know any liberals, or are you just spouting this nonsense parrot-fasion? Have you ever seen me indicate that that's what I think? I don't know what you understand by the term "liberalism", but it's clearly not the same as my impression.

These constant rants against the liberal ideal are getting pretty boring, especially since they're so uninformed.
[/quote]He lives in San Francisco as I recall...

[quote author=Arta[vL] link=topic=13681.msg141057#msg141057 date=1136717835]
These constant rants against the liberal ideal are getting pretty boring, especially since they're so uninformed.
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What is the liberal ideal as you would define it?

Explicit nice sarcasm!

What I took from the movie was a fine example of the probability of that actually occuring. The second example in my post has actually occured to my neighbour, so fuck the first one is plausible to occur.

[quote author=WoOdTroll link=topic=13681.msg141142#msg141142 date=1136771417]
Explicit nice sarcasm!

What I took from the movie was a fine example of the probability of that actually occuring. The second example in my post has actually occured to my neighbour, so fuck the first one is plausible to occur.
[/quote]A criminal suing you because they broke in & hurt themselves isn't corruption in the evil manipulative way, its just flaws in the system that get exploited.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=5a6cf763-1370-47fd-ac78-6aaf73395eee&k=32245

Is Canada going to blame U.S. for this too? Maybe they are going to blame Russia for the AK-47 since U.S. does not manufacture these weapons.
Maybe they can blame the inventor of the weapon, Mikhail Kalashnikov. I think the best thing to do is to blame the mother of Mikhail Kalashnikov for giving him birth and not aborting him at 8 months of pregnancy. If Mikhail Kalashnikov was aborted he would never have invented the AK-47 and that kid in Canada would have never had an AK-47 and we would have peace on earth!

[quote author=Invert link=topic=13681.msg141346#msg141346 date=1136930823]
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=5a6cf763-1370-47fd-ac78-6aaf73395eee&k=32245

Is Canada going to blame U.S. for this too? Maybe they are going to blame Russia for the AK-47 since U.S. does not manufacture these weapons.
Maybe they can blame the inventor of the weapon, Mikhail Kalashnikov. I think the best thing to do is to blame the mother of Mikhail Kalashnikov for giving him birth and not aborting him at 8 months of pregnancy. If Mikhail Kalashnikov was aborted he would never have invented the AK-47 and that kid in Canada would have never had an AK-47 and we would have peace on earth!

[/quote]We should've nuked Russia when we had the chance ;)

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[quote author=Invert link=topic=13681.msg141346#msg141346 date=1136930823]
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=5a6cf763-1370-47fd-ac78-6aaf73395eee&k=32245

Is Canada going to blame U.S. for this too? Maybe they are going to blame Russia for the AK-47 since U.S. does not manufacture these weapons.
Maybe they can blame the inventor of the weapon, Mikhail Kalashnikov. I think the best thing to do is to blame the mother of Mikhail Kalashnikov for giving him birth and not aborting him at 8 months of pregnancy. If Mikhail Kalashnikov was aborted he would never have invented the AK-47 and that kid in Canada would have never had an AK-47 and we would have peace on earth!

[/quote]We should've nuked Russia when we had the chance ;)
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The U.S. would have got nuked back and there goes the world. :(

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[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13681.msg141348#msg141348 date=1136931142]
[quote author=Invert link=topic=13681.msg141346#msg141346 date=1136930823]
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=5a6cf763-1370-47fd-ac78-6aaf73395eee&k=32245

Is Canada going to blame U.S. for this too? Maybe they are going to blame Russia for the AK-47 since U.S. does not manufacture these weapons.
Maybe they can blame the inventor of the weapon, Mikhail Kalashnikov. I think the best thing to do is to blame the mother of Mikhail Kalashnikov for giving him birth and not aborting him at 8 months of pregnancy. If Mikhail Kalashnikov was aborted he would never have invented the AK-47 and that kid in Canada would have never had an AK-47 and we would have peace on earth!

[/quote]We should've nuked Russia when we had the chance ;)
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The U.S. would have got nuked back and there goes the world. :(
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Like in Terminator 2.

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[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13681.msg141348#msg141348 date=1136931142]
[quote author=Invert link=topic=13681.msg141346#msg141346 date=1136930823]
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=5a6cf763-1370-47fd-ac78-6aaf73395eee&k=32245

Is Canada going to blame U.S. for this too? Maybe they are going to blame Russia for the AK-47 since U.S. does not manufacture these weapons.
Maybe they can blame the inventor of the weapon, Mikhail Kalashnikov. I think the best thing to do is to blame the mother of Mikhail Kalashnikov for giving him birth and not aborting him at 8 months of pregnancy. If Mikhail Kalashnikov was aborted he would never have invented the AK-47 and that kid in Canada would have never had an AK-47 and we would have peace on earth!

[/quote]We should've nuked Russia when we had the chance ;)
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The U.S. would have got nuked back and there goes the world. :(
[/quote]Canada couldn't blame us though, there wouldn't be any us to blame

We wouldn't die like you guys would. We would die from radiation, and everything toxic going into the air currents.





Fags!

Hm.. Wierd news post. Not sure how that works but w/e :p that would be like the U.S citizens complaining that we are losing rights/privacy and blame it on Iraqis(When it is us who allowed the gov't to get this powerful,when ever there is a problem (IE: Katrina, ppl running to the U.S Gov't))