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You never heard about this stuff happenin back "in the day"...cause it didn't like it does now.
I assume that dad didn't keep his kid inline ever, too.

Nothing like Taco Bell after you killed someone.

His dad must be one hell of a character if the boy felt he had to kill him just to avoid confrontation regarding failed classes.  I wonder if it was really necessary though to burn down the house along with all of the assets...this all could've been avoided if he had just done his work in school.

Not to be rude....but omgwtfz0rzwutagaynoob!!!

Personally I think its the fathers fault for leaving the gun accessible.

I say the cartoons, and games, kids watch or play now a days is whats wrong.

[quote]His dad must be one hell of a character if the boy felt he had to kill him just to avoid confrontation regarding failed classes.[/quote]

Yeah, this kind of justification makes me want to vomit all over myself.

Although it's not there fault, but I think the teachers which failed him would be thinking "Oh, shit!".

Some kid found a rifle in his dads room, he didn;t know it was loaded. His dad was outside doing the grass, and the kid wanted to play a joke on him, so he went up to him, and pressed the trigger, and killed his dad.

My great grandpa had just made a barn, and bought a new tracker since he was a farmer, and that was his lifes work basically. Anyway, his granddaughters, went into the barn, and were playing with matches, and the whole thing just went on fire, you know how fast hay, and all that shit burns.

Dude had to watch his lifes dream, and work go down the drain because of two kids. I just felt like sharing that.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13570.msg138261#msg138261 date=1134874623]I assume that dad didn't keep his kid inline ever, too.[/quote]

Children, like trivial functions, should always be inlined (except when debugging).

Wow, just wow...

[quote author=Kp link=topic=13570.msg138281#msg138281 date=1134883109]
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13570.msg138261#msg138261 date=1134874623]I assume that dad didn't keep his kid inline ever, too.[/quote]

Children, like trivial functions, should always be inlined (except when debugging).
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rofl

[quote author=WoOdTroll link=topic=13570.msg138270#msg138270 date=1134877219]
Personally I think its the fathers fault for leaving the gun accessible.
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The gun was locked in the safe as required by Law I believe.

It's the kids fault for sucking@school.

Ever think the kid was getting physically abused if he got bad grades? That'd make you kill your dad if it happened enough and none of us know the circumstances he was in.

I blame it ALL on the parents. No one is born a killer, it's how they are brought up.

Also I think it's safe to say he burned the house so it wouldn't seem like he killed his dad and perhaps the fire did.

Yeah, probably the father had threatened the kid with physical punishment if he did not do better in school. The kid should go free then, since he killed the father in the home, and there was a threat of physical violence. Probably had received physical violence before too. Clearly self-defence, or "Make my day".

[quote author=Networks link=topic=13570.msg138313#msg138313 date=1134927033]
No one is born a killer, it's how they are brought up.[/quote]

"Man, in his natural state, is warlike and brutish."

If that was the case (physical abuse, and it is a good reasoning) then I think he should still be punished (because it was pre-meditated, plus he tried to cover it up. PLUS he went to Taco-Bell after he did it, what sicko does that?) But maybe a lesser sentence?

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=13570.msg138315#msg138315 date=1134927821]PLUS he went to Taco-Bell after he did it, what sicko does that?[/quote]

So he should've gone to McDonalds instead?  Or maybe Burger King?

[quote author=WoOdTroll link=topic=13570.msg138270#msg138270 date=1134877219]
Personally I think its the fathers fault for leaving the gun accessible.
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This is at least partially true.

[quote author=Networks link=topic=13570.msg138313#msg138313 date=1134927033]
Ever think the kid was getting physically abused if he got bad grades? That'd make you kill your dad if it happened enough and none of us know the circumstances he was in.

I blame it ALL on the parents. No one is born a killer, it's how they are brought up.

Also I think it's safe to say he burned the house so it wouldn't seem like he killed his dad and perhaps the fire did.
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While I generally agree with this, I'm not ready to make the conclusion that it was ALL their fault.  At the age of eight, perhaps; at 15, no.  The kid should have begun thinking for himself.  Evidently the state prosecutor agrees with me, because the kid's being charged as an adult.

I think there comes a point that, no matter how bad your situation is, you need to take responsibility for your own actions.  You can't blame what you do on other people.

I fully agree with Mynd. 

But one thing:
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=13570.msg138315#msg138315 date=1134927821]
PLUS he went to Taco-Bell after he did it, what sicko does that?
[/quote]

Who cares where he ate afterwards?  I see absolutely no relationship between that and this case.  He was probably hungry, and his house was burnt/burning down, so he had to eat somewhere.  I'm not even sure why the article brought that up in the first place. 

[quote author=iago link=topic=13570.msg138320#msg138320 date=1134933212]
I fully agree with Mynd. 

But one thing:
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=13570.msg138315#msg138315 date=1134927821]
PLUS he went to Taco-Bell after he did it, what sicko does that?
[/quote]

Who cares where he ate afterwards?  I see absolutely no relationship between that and this case.  He was probably hungry, and his house was burnt/burning down, so he had to eat somewhere.  I'm not even sure why the article brought that up in the first place. 
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Heh, yeah.  Didn't you see Dogma?  After Loki rained down fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, he had to go out for a drink.

[quote author=iago link=topic=13570.msg138320#msg138320 date=1134933212]
I fully agree with Mynd.

But one thing:
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=13570.msg138315#msg138315 date=1134927821]
PLUS he went to Taco-Bell after he did it, what sicko does that?
[/quote]

Who cares where he ate afterwards? I see absolutely no relationship between that and this case. He was probably hungry, and his house was burnt/burning down, so he had to eat somewhere. I'm not even sure why the article brought that up in the first place.
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Most people (read, non pyschopaths) are really shaken up after they kill somebody (hence the reason police for example need therapy after shooting a person.) This kid went and did a normal thing (meaning he was probably very calm about what just happened) which hints toward him being, most likely, mentally unstable.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=13570.msg138323#msg138323 date=1134934623]
[quote author=iago link=topic=13570.msg138320#msg138320 date=1134933212]
I fully agree with Mynd.

But one thing:
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=13570.msg138315#msg138315 date=1134927821]
PLUS he went to Taco-Bell after he did it, what sicko does that?
[/quote]

Who cares where he ate afterwards? I see absolutely no relationship between that and this case. He was probably hungry, and his house was burnt/burning down, so he had to eat somewhere. I'm not even sure why the article brought that up in the first place.
[/quote]

Most people (read, non pyschopaths) are really shaken up after they kill somebody (hence the reason police for example need therapy after shooting a person.) This kid went and did a normal thing (meaning he was probably very calm about what just happened) which hints toward him being, most likely, mentally unstable.
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Maybe the boy's hate for his dad was so strong that he just didn't care.

[quote author=Adron link=topic=13570.msg138314#msg138314 date=1134927319]
Yeah, probably the father had threatened the kid with physical punishment if he did not do better in school. The kid should go free then, since he killed the father in the home, and there was a threat of physical violence. Probably had received physical violence before too. Clearly self-defence, or "Make my day".
[/quote]I agree to an extent.  Broken families are usually just that, broken.

However, the "make my day" refference is lame (in this instance).  Had the dad pulled out a board, go for it, I'm against child abuse.  However, if the kid just got spanked, stupid kid.

I'm willing to bet both sides are @ fault, obviously more so the kid though

San Francisco has a ban on guns, correct?  If so, they could use this to justify their reasonings for it even further, and perhaps try to extend it beyond just SF.

You know not everyone knows right from wrong, and some teens just hate themselves or their lives so damn much they do something stupid. For example where I used to live, a popular 18 year old people liked, hung himself for no reason , and just recently so did another except he was younger.

In this case the boy probably got really scared, and figured him or me. Or he was just so sick of being treated bad, or abused that he didn't care about it, and shot him.

Some people are implosive, and some people are explosive, the implosive one is the guy who goes to his school, and tries to shoot everybody, the other guy is just a typical angry person.

[quote author=Explicit[nK] link=topic=13570.msg138366#msg138366 date=1134951216]
San Francisco has a ban on guns, correct?  If so, they could use this to justify their reasonings for it even further, and perhaps try to extend it beyond just SF.
[/quote]uhm, thats against the law

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13570.msg138380#msg138380 date=1134952551]
[quote author=Explicit[nK] link=topic=13570.msg138366#msg138366 date=1134951216]
San Francisco has a ban on guns, correct? If so, they could use this to justify their reasonings for it even further, and perhaps try to extend it beyond just SF.
[/quote]uhm, thats against the law
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Ah, here it is, the article.  Opposers argued that it was against the law because it violated the second amendment.  I initially thought the ban had passed, but was wrong.  Thanks for responding though, CrAz3D.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=13570.msg138323#msg138323 date=1134934623]
[quote author=iago link=topic=13570.msg138320#msg138320 date=1134933212]
I fully agree with Mynd.

But one thing:
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=13570.msg138315#msg138315 date=1134927821]
PLUS he went to Taco-Bell after he did it, what sicko does that?
[/quote]

Who cares where he ate afterwards? I see absolutely no relationship between that and this case. He was probably hungry, and his house was burnt/burning down, so he had to eat somewhere. I'm not even sure why the article brought that up in the first place.
[/quote]

Most people (read, non pyschopaths) are really shaken up after they kill somebody (hence the reason police for example need therapy after shooting a person.) This kid went and did a normal thing (meaning he was probably very calm about what just happened) which hints toward him being, most likely, mentally unstable.
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Or, maybe he was hungry.  I'm sure they eat after killing somebody.  As shoken up as he might be, he still has to eat!

Thats something you could argue w/trust.  People w/guns kill people.  Black people kill people.  Ban them both & you're good...but that isnt right

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13570.msg138386#msg138386 date=1134953651]
Thats something you could argue w/trust. People w/guns kill people. Black people kill people. Ban them both & you're good...but that isnt right
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It's normally the oppressed that kill.  Them, and mentally unstable people.

I think they opress themselves though.

Poor people get lazier w/welfare & such & then get less money & then fall into poverty & then crime.
We should mow down slums

Uhm, I don't know where you concluded that all black people are murderers, but ok. Sure they have gangs, and kill one another, but thats their black business. No one cares when a negro dies in the ghetto. Atleast I don't.

The only thing I hate is how they made their own stupid langauge based on english. Also they hate being called niggers/niggas yet they call themselves that on daily basis. Or dawg, like what the fuck. Who the hell calls each other animals, thats why they're inferior.

Also, what do niggers and sperm have in common? Only one out of two million work.



BTW BACK TO THE SUBJECT ABOUT THE BOY.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13570.msg138386#msg138386 date=1134953651]
Thats something you could argue w/trust.  People w/guns kill people.  Black people kill people.  Ban them both & you're good...but that isnt right
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We don't have black people or guns here (well, some of each, but shh).  There's no problems from either of them, anyway.

But people still manage to kill each other.  It usually involves alcohol and natives.  So let's ban both of those, too. 

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13570.msg138388#msg138388 date=1134953940]
I think they opress themselves though.

Poor people get lazier w/welfare & such & then get less money & then fall into poverty & then crime.
We should mow down slums
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The thing is, I know many people who live in garbage heaps that are trying as hard as they can to get out.  Many of them work two jobs and are trying to get a degree just to get out of the "slums."  The effort is really worth commending, because if I were them, I'd have given up by now.

[quote author=iago link=topic=13570.msg138390#msg138390 date=1134954210]
We don't have black people or guns here (well, some of each, but shh). There's no problems from either of them, anyway.

But people still manage to kill each other. It usually involves alcohol and natives. So let's ban both of those, too.
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Here in Seattle, there are many minorities.  Being one, I get that evil sneer from white people quite often, and I suppose it's conditions like these that evoke crime.  Your tolerance can only be so high, then you just crash and burn.  I know the choice is always up to the individual, but being constantly reminded that these people look down on you really does take its toll.

I was going to write something else, but I lost my train of thought.

Vancouver is becoming hongcouver, and not only that, but most dealers have to watch themselves from the mini triads down there. You never know when 2-4 5'1",5'2" midgets will come out of the car, and be like "fook u foo" bam, dealers head blown off towards the wall.

Disturbs me.

[quote author=Explicit[nK] link=topic=13570.msg138392#msg138392 date=1134956428]
Being one
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Which one are you?

I never said what he did was right, I am just simply stating you shouldn't make opinions on a largely biased topic. Whether he got spanked or even raped for getting bad grades largely depends on his actions. I think it's safe to assume that SOMETHING would happen if he got bad grades, more so then just a spanking or a grounding.

Trust, responding to your quote, If your parents beat you up everyday of the week and you were so far gone that you were afraid to go away from your house (you had to stay), were you born to kill? It's evident the kid has issues, hopefully they'll prove that and he'll spend his life trying to get better. He can change, I highly doubt his own upbringing was his own fault.

Edit: Can you not be hungry after you've burnt something down? Where's he going to eat, out of a garbage?

I think the scariest thing is that the death penalty was brought up for him...

[quote]If convicted, Watts faces life in prison. He is not eligible for the death penalty because he's a juvenile.[/quote]

So, killing 1 person gets you the death penalty now? Awesome. We can finally start killing off the morons of the world! :D

[quote author=iago link=topic=13570.msg138385#msg138385 date=1134953606]
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=13570.msg138323#msg138323 date=1134934623]
[quote author=iago link=topic=13570.msg138320#msg138320 date=1134933212]
I fully agree with Mynd.

But one thing:
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=13570.msg138315#msg138315 date=1134927821]
PLUS he went to Taco-Bell after he did it, what sicko does that?
[/quote]

Who cares where he ate afterwards? I see absolutely no relationship between that and this case. He was probably hungry, and his house was burnt/burning down, so he had to eat somewhere. I'm not even sure why the article brought that up in the first place.
[/quote]

Most people (read, non pyschopaths) are really shaken up after they kill somebody (hence the reason police for example need therapy after shooting a person.) This kid went and did a normal thing (meaning he was probably very calm about what just happened) which hints toward him being, most likely, mentally unstable.
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Or, maybe he was hungry. I'm sure they eat after killing somebody. As shoken up as he might be, he still has to eat!
[/quote]

Or maybe he was unstable. I'm going with what I say.

You better beleive that if I was his defense attorney I'd be arguing mental instability, and bringing up this point.

[quote author=Newby link=topic=13570.msg138398#msg138398 date=1134959354]
I think the scariest thing is that the death penalty was brought up for him...

[quote]If convicted, Watts faces life in prison. He is not eligible for the death penalty because he's a juvenile.[/quote]

So, killing 1 person gets you the death penalty now? Awesome. We can finally start killing off the morons of the world! :D
[/quote]They just mentioned it, they didn't say he deserved it

For the record, I'm not racist against Canada's natives.  They've been given all the money they need, and they've turned into a total spoiled/loser race, here, because they don't have any ambition, since they've been given enough money to live on.  They are paid for having kids, so they have lots of kids, their parents are always drinking, so they end up drinking, and it's just a huge mess that's getting worse every year.  It's really a crappy situation Canada has gotten itself into, and I don't think that many people understand the seriousness of the problem, they just keep wanting money/throwing money at it, and they don't undersatnd why it's not fixed....

[quote author=iago link=topic=13570.msg138407#msg138407 date=1134964079]
[quote author=Adron link=topic=13570.msg138395#msg138395 date=1134957950]
[quote author=Explicit[nK] link=topic=13570.msg138392#msg138392 date=1134956428]
Being one
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Which one are you?
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For some reason, I recall him saying he was native.  I could easily be wrong, though. 

And for the record, I'm not racist against Canada's natives.  They've been given all the money they need, and they've turned into a total spoiled/loser race, here, because they don't have any ambition, since they've been given enough money to live on.  They are paid for having kids, so they have lots of kids, their parents are always drinking, so they end up drinking, and it's just a huge mess that's getting worse every year.  It's really a crappy situation Canada has gotten itself into, and I don't think that many people understand the seriousness of the problem, they just keep wanting money/throwing money at it, and they don't undersatnd why it's not fixed....

[/quote]Have 'em do like our indians, we have casinos out the wazoo here

[quote author=Adron link=topic=13570.msg138395#msg138395 date=1134957950]
[quote author=Explicit[nK] link=topic=13570.msg138392#msg138392 date=1134956428]
Being one
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Which one are you?
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Minority.  Specifically, Cambodian.

[quote author=WoOdTroll link=topic=13570.msg138369#msg138369 date=1134951564]
Some people are implosive, and some people are explosive, the implosive one is the guy who goes to his school, and tries to shoot everybody, the other guy is just a typical angry person.
[/quote]Columbine Massacre.

Maybe the parents wernt at fault. Perhaps the kid just got bored and decided to add action to his life. Perhaps he had no self control.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13570.msg138413#msg138413 date=1134965637]
[quote author=iago link=topic=13570.msg138407#msg138407 date=1134964079]
[quote author=Adron link=topic=13570.msg138395#msg138395 date=1134957950]
[quote author=Explicit[nK] link=topic=13570.msg138392#msg138392 date=1134956428]
Being one
[/quote]

Which one are you?
[/quote]

For some reason, I recall him saying he was native.  I could easily be wrong, though. 

And for the record, I'm not racist against Canada's natives.  They've been given all the money they need, and they've turned into a total spoiled/loser race, here, because they don't have any ambition, since they've been given enough money to live on.  They are paid for having kids, so they have lots of kids, their parents are always drinking, so they end up drinking, and it's just a huge mess that's getting worse every year.  It's really a crappy situation Canada has gotten itself into, and I don't think that many people understand the seriousness of the problem, they just keep wanting money/throwing money at it, and they don't undersatnd why it's not fixed....

[/quote]Have 'em do like our indians, we have casinos out the wazoo here
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We have 1 native casino, which is doing quite well.  But for the most part, tribes aren't that smart in spending their money, and they squander it on nothing.  A couple tribes invested it, and they're doing very well. 

[quote author=Joe link=topic=13570.msg138435#msg138435 date=1134997544]
Ugh, damn prozac.
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What does prozac have to do with any of this?

So now any violence is blamed on video games?  I don't remember any video games where you kill your dad and burn down the house.  Perhaps the kid himself should take responsibility.

[quote author=Maddox link=topic=13570.msg138493#msg138493 date=1135028369]
So now any violence is blamed on video games?  I don't remember any video games where you kill your dad and burn down the house.  Perhaps the kid himself should take responsibility.
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Heh, true enough.  We talk a lot in statistics about how correlation is not equal to causation.  There can be a high correlation (r > 0.60) with aggressive behaviors in kids and the time they play violent video games or watch violent TV shows.  That doesn't mean they're violent because of these media, though; an alternative rival hypothesis is that these preferences come out of their aggressive personalities.

I'd assume music would have a greater influence on a kid's violent behavior than video games would.