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People are stupid, if they don't want to get sick don't smoke.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=9823.msg126233#msg126233]
I smoked a few drags off 1 cigarette, I by far have not become a smoker
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I guess that makes you stupid, too? 

People are dumb, and they get themselves addicted without realizing it.  They don't realize it's happening until it's too late; if they knew what was going to happen, they wouldn't have.  Who WANTS to be a smoker?

I smoked, I am not a smoker, I didn't like it....had I continued I wouldn't blame my failing lungs on the company that provided me with the cigarettes...its my own fault.  My grandma smoked since forever & died at a younger age, she never sued the companies nor did she ever quit, she liked smoking.

People like the taste of the tobacco.

I personally am quite fond of 2nd hand smoke smell, provided it is the right brand.  It brings back memories of my grandma.

People smoke because of two reasons: They didn't know the effects of it, and there are those who smoke knowing the effects and perhaps not caring. Smoking is very calming, and it helps people to deal with daily stress.

That's like typing a lot and then sueing keyboard makers when you get carpul tunnel(sp?).

Or drinking soda and getting mad at Coca-Cola for the health effects associated with all the caffeine.

[quote author=Topaz link=topic=13536.msg137908#msg137908 date=1134689988]
People smoke because of two reasons: They didn't know the effects of it, and there are those who smoke knowing the effects and perhaps not caring. Smoking is very calming, and it helps people to deal with daily stress.
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Not really, its a stimulant. A depressant, such as Alcohol, would more accurately fit your description.

[quote author=Topaz link=topic=13536.msg137908#msg137908 date=1134689988]
People smoke because of two reasons: They didn't know the effects of it, and there are those who smoke knowing the effects and perhaps not caring. Smoking is very calming, and it helps people to deal with daily stress.
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People smoke because of one reason: It's addictive. 

People start smoking for your reasons, perhaps. 

Do you smoke iago?  Are you possitive that is the only reason that people smoke?

Peer pressure is a big one.

I smoked because I got hooked, and because I liked to smoke at the same time. Failing lungs, and a virus infection made me quit.

I quit cold-turkey, its not hard. You just need to be strong-minded.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13536.msg137956#msg137956 date=1134707619]
Do you smoke iago?  Are you possitive that is the only reason that people smoke?
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Nope, but everybody in my family does, as well as a lot of friends.  And none of them want to do it, but they all suck at quitting. 

[quote author=WoOdTroll link=topic=13536.msg137961#msg137961 date=1134708031]
Peer pressure is a big one.

I smoked because I got hooked, and because I liked to smoke at the same time. Failing lungs, and a virus infection made me quit.

I quit cold-turkey, its not hard. You just need to be strong-minded.
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Most people are weak minded, though :P

They're inferior.  ;D

[quote author=WoOdTroll link=topic=13536.msg137966#msg137966 date=1134708865]
They're inferior. ;D
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They aren't necessarily inferior.  It could just be that they've been smoking much longer than you, making it more difficult to choke the habit.

I was 7 when I had my first ciggeratte. I am 18.

Most smokers I know have been smoking for longer than you've been alive.  I don't know a lot of people my age or younger (22) that do. 

[quote author=iago link=topic=13536.msg137965#msg137965 date=1134708739]
Most people are weak minded, though :P
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These aren't the droids you're looking for...

[quote author=WoOdTroll link=topic=13536.msg137984#msg137984 date=1134713549]
I was 7 when I had my first ciggeratte. I am 18.
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That doesn't mean you've been smoking throughout the entire time.  At age seven, I think your reaction would be like any other kid's, which is to put it out in disgust.

I began smoking at 15 because it seemed cool.  I continued to smoke because I became addicted.  I haven't try to quit out of apathy.  I realize it is bad for me, I am constantlly reminded by everyone I know that doesn't smoke.

And that sir is why smokers smoke.

I cant see how people get addicted. I smoked a cig about 3 weeks ago, one the next day then didnt have another one untl yesterday. No cravings nothing. When people say all it takes is one ciggarette  cant be true.

[quote author=Meh link=topic=13536.msg138006#msg138006 date=1134733273]
I cant see how people get addicted. I smoked a cig about 3 weeks ago, one the next day then didnt have another one untl yesterday. No cravings nothing. When people say all it takes is one ciggarette  cant be true.
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Some people are affected differently than others. 

But keep in mind that people who are regular smokers didn't start as regular smokers (probably?), they started by doing it occasionally. 

[quote author=Meh link=topic=13536.msg138006#msg138006 date=1134733273]
I cant see how people get addicted. I smoked a cig about 3 weeks ago, one the next day then didnt have another one untl yesterday. No cravings nothing. When people say all it takes is one ciggarette  cant be true.
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It is a little diffrent when you smoke a pack a day.

Some people are born with addictive personalities. I for one.

For example, alcoholics, druggies etc.

Anyway, no I smoked for a long time, atleast a pack per day, around the age of 11-13 it was simple to get for me, since my parents were hardcore smokers. I'll steal it, or my mom would give me some.

[quote author=WoOdTroll link=topic=13536.msg138035#msg138035 date=1134758865]
Some people are born with addictive personalities. I for one.
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Yeah, I agree with that.  My family (like, mom, her siblings, parents, etc) are all really bad at self control.  Everybody at my mom's generation smokes, and everybody at my mom's and my generation drink a lot (except for me).  Also, everybody is overweight.  I suspect it all relates to a lack of self control and discipline. 

[quote author=iago link=topic=13536.msg137905#msg137905 date=1134689326]
[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=9823.msg126233#msg126233]
I smoked a few drags off 1 cigarette, I by far have not become a smoker
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I guess that makes you stupid, too? 

People are dumb, and they get themselves addicted without realizing it.  They don't realize it's happening until it's too late; if they knew what was going to happen, they wouldn't have.  Who WANTS to be a smoker?
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Cigarette addiction is an unproven theory. The risk of smoking is listed on every pack of cigarettes.

I got offered a Cigarette yesturday. I said no, i don't want to smoke. I never have, and i never will.

No, being fat is a normal result of being lazy. They know they're becoming fat/ter, and choose not to do anything about it. Doing 36 sit ups daily for example. Its not hard, you just think it is.

Then they get made fun of, and say "I cant just lose all this in a day you know, not like I can cut it off". Women say that all the time.

[quote author=WoOdTroll link=topic=13536.msg138221#msg138221 date=1134861383]
No, being fat is a normal result of being lazy. They know they're becoming fat/ter, and choose not to do anything about it. Doing 36 sit ups daily for example. Its not hard, you just think it is.

Then they get made fun of, and say "I cant just lose all this in a day you know, not like I can cut it off". Women say that all the time.
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Food can be just as addicting as cigarettes, can't it?  The difference is that you need food to live, while cigarettes you can do without.  As for being fat, it still involves some level of self-discipline.  Much like smoking, you could resist the urge, yet you give in regardless of the risks.

[quote author=Invert link=topic=13536.msg138211#msg138211 date=1134853446]
Cigarette addiction is an unproven theory. The risk of smoking is listed on every pack of cigarettes.
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My proof is that people who smoke tend to keep smoking.  That's enough evidence for me!


[quote author=WoOdTroll link=topic=13536.msg138221#msg138221 date=1134861383]
No, being fat is a normal result of being lazy. They know they're becoming fat/ter, and choose not to do anything about it. Doing 36 sit ups daily for example. Its not hard, you just think it is.

Then they get made fun of, and say "I cant just lose all this in a day you know, not like I can cut it off". Women say that all the time.
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Yes, being fat involves genetics.  I do a hell of a lot more exercising than any of my friends, and I don't ate horribly, and I'm still well overweight.  Yes, it's possible to change by making myself suffer, but that's not the point.  The point is, this isn't from how I live or eat, it's the way I was born.  It can be changed, but it's also genetic. 

The only genetic thing that occurs ismetabolism. Some people have fast, or slow metabolisms. You have to watch out what you eat.

Its not suffering if you know you're making yourself healthier. If you feel pain from working out its because you don't do enough. Do the same rythem of push-up, and sit-ups on a daily basis, and I assure you. That you will not consider it suffering anymore!

Nicotine is adicctive.  Cafine is addicn I stopped drinkin alot of coke everydaytive, I had withdrawls whe

Don't do situps if you're wanting to lose weight. Sit ups will help build your abdominal muscles, which is pointless if you're fat. You need to run.

Also, 36 sit ups a day is nothing. Let me re-iterate that - nothing. You should be doing four sets of 36. heh.

.................... :o :-\

Ok for the average you need to do 90 situps, good ones not half assed, but they all gotta be done differently, the first 30 upper stomach, the other 30 lower, and the rest both.

And running helps alot, so does swimming.

Remember in the end its not how many you do, but how well you do them.

@ warz, CrAz3D and WoOdTroll:

Getting off-topic with the whole exercise thing.

[quote author=WoOdTroll link=topic=13536.msg137961#msg137961 date=1134708031]
I quit cold-turkey, its not hard.
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[quote author=WoOdTroll link=topic=13536.msg138035#msg138035 date=1134758865]
Some people are born with addictive personalities. I for one.
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Addiction: the habitual psychological and physiological dependence on a substance or practice beyond one's voluntary control.

Deciding to just quit all of a sudden, and being able to act upon that decision wouldn't mean you're addicted, would it?  Because quitting is purely psychological, and you were able to do it just like that, it leads me to believe that you weren't addicted to begin with.

Don't take this personal, I'm just wondering how it's possible.

Hah, maybe I meant I am addicted to alcohol? That, and the doctor said it was my life.

I'm almost 22.
I chainsmoke like a carton a day.
I have since I was 13. Smoke bud too.
Screw Tobacco, Screw there huge industrial monopolies in overseas countries and practically right here. (Esp. you, You know which brand I mean... The big P&M..)
SCREW ALL YOU CORPORATE FAT CATS IN THE ASS WITH A DRILLVICE UNTIL IT BLEEDS THE MONEY YOU INJEST YOU FAT SCUMMY DRUG PROP PUPPET PUSHING PIGS!!! >< Thanks.
<3 DeX.
B.F.F.
*light's up.*

a carton?...

ok

12pks? to a carton, 10 cigs to a pk?

120 cigs a day???

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13536.msg138674#msg138674 date=1135126699]
a carton?...

ok

12pks? to a carton, 10 cigs to a pk?

120 cigs a day???
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He obviously doesn't mean a carton.  If it were a carton, he'd be dead, or at the very least, lucky enough to continue smoking out of his neck like Debbie.  I agree with you that a pack sounds more logical.

This suit doesn't seem like smokers sueing because they got sick. I agree, if that were the case, it would be silly. This case looks like people sueing because they feel they were misled by devious marketing. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Except for that whole warning on all packs and inside the pack.

The devious marketing being the fact that they have "light" cigarettes, which are just as bad for you as regular ones.

I remember that some packs here have a picture of "Cyanide light" on the front, with the message "it'll still kill you."  I don't think they regular packs in the US, but here they have gross pictures of lungs and teeth and limp cigarettes on packs here, which make me laugh. 

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13536.msg138674#msg138674 date=1135126699]
a carton?...

ok

12pks? to a carton, 10 cigs to a pk?

120 cigs a day???
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10packs in a carton, 20cigs in a pack
200cigs a day
assuming you stay up 16 hours in a day, which is about average, that is 12.5cigs an hour.  No one smokes that much, you would get sick, and even if you didn't, no one needs that much nicotine a day, and even if they did, you would be smoking every 5 minutes.  That is the epitome of chain smoking on a whole new level.

I know some one who smokes atleast 5-6 ciggerattes in an hour, and stays up for atleast 18 hours.