http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/11/14/scotus.felon.vote/index.html

What's your take on this whole "felons voting" thing?

I think voting is a privilege and when you break laws you should lose this privilege.

[quote author=DeTaiLs link=topic=13239.msg134007#msg134007 date=1132026653]
I think voting is a privilege and when you break laws you should lose this privilege.
[/quote]Hmm, I always recall being taught that voting is a right.

I still believe it is a right, however, I do believe some people (other than idiots) shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I don't know how you'd make that acceptable though, maybe give felons a status of "sub-human", I'm ok with that.

I think felons should be allowed to vote. What their crimes were has no matter to them participating in government.

What if their crime had to do w/government?  i.e. war crimes or something?

I see it as they aren't human.  They are not able to function like normal people in society.  They are errors.

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I see it as they aren't human. They are not able to function like normal people in society. They are errors.
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Really condescending, considering that most people serving time don't even commit major crimes. What if you ended up in jail for a DUI or something? Would you consider yourself a mistake? Would you think yourself sub-human?

It's hard to understand things like this being said when humans have climbed so far and achieved so much.

I see no reason why a felon should not be allowed a fundamental right such as voting.

I think felons should be allowed to vote. If a law is wrong and turns everyone but a few people into felons, then noone would be able to fix it? :P

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[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13239.msg134015#msg134015 date=1132029246]
I see it as they aren't human. They are not able to function like normal people in society. They are errors.
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Really condescending, considering that most people serving time don't even commit major crimes. What if you ended up in jail for a DUI or something? Would you consider yourself a mistake? Would you think yourself sub-human?

It's hard to understand things like this being said when humans have climbed so far and achieved so much.
[/quote]A felony isn't a mistake, it is a wrong doing.
DUI?...yes, those people should have their license revoked, drunk drivers kill

[quote]A felony isn't a mistake, it is a wrong doing[/quote]
A felony can be being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[quote author=Forged link=topic=13239.msg134023#msg134023 date=1132031058]
[quote]A felony isn't a mistake, it is a wrong doing[/quote]
A felony can be being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
[/quote]...not to mention doing the wrong thing

If felons should be able to vote, so should children under 18.  If voting is a right that everybody deserves, why disallow people under a certain (arbitrary) age?  There are a lot of people of legal age (say, felons) who shouldn't be allowed to vote, and a lot of people under legal age who should. 

When a felon is free from jail, they have paid there crime and therefore should be allowed access to there civil rights (or w/e there called).

[quote author=FrOzeN link=topic=13239.msg134029#msg134029 date=1132034667]
When a felon is free from jail, they have paid there crime and therefore should be allowed access to there civil rights (or w/e there called).
[/quote]"All men are created equal".  So, by that logic, from birth all males should be able to vote.

Things are meant to be interpretted I believe.  Bible, Constitution, w/e.  Yes, those things have a nice foundation but cannot stand alone in today's society.

I don't think women are equal, the declaration of independence supports my view by saying "all men."

I think felons should be allowed to vote. I see no reason why committing a felony should strip someone of that right.

I think the argument for allowing children to vote is an interesting one. We should start a new thread for it.

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[quote author=FrOzeN link=topic=13239.msg134029#msg134029 date=1132034667]
When a felon is free from jail, they have paid there crime and therefore should be allowed access to there civil rights (or w/e there called).
[/quote]"All men are created equal".  So, by that logic, from birth all males should be able to vote.

Things are meant to be interpretted I believe.  Bible, Constitution, w/e.  Yes, those things have a nice foundation but cannot stand alone in today's society.

I don't think women are equal, the declaration of independence supports my view by saying "all men."
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I really hope you don't actually believe what you are saying in this post.  :p

IMO, felons that have been released deserve their rights like the next guy, they've paid, and therefore are just another person like you and me in regard to having rights.

I really think you need to expand your viewpoint a little bit Crazed and approach things with a bit more open-mindedness rather than just being flat out conservative in opinion.

[quote]DUI?...yes, those people should have their license revoked, drunk drivers kill[/quote]

So you're saying that if you got a DUI you'd like to get your license revoked? Nonesense, you'd be begging for another chance.

Just like these people should. Plus I am pretty sure the people who have done the worst of things aren't getting out. Quit being stupid.

Whether they have served their time or not, they should be able to vote. Someone having done something the current government does not like is not a good reason to take away their chance to change the government.

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[quote]DUI?...yes, those people should have their license revoked, drunk drivers kill[/quote]

So you're saying that if you got a DUI you'd like to get your license revoked? Nonesense, you'd be begging for another chance.
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If I had a DUI, I should damn well have my license revoked forever.  It's surprisingly easy to not drink and drive: don't drink, OR don't drive.  DUH. 

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13239.msg134030#msg134030 date=1132035061]
I don't think women are equal, the declaration of independence supports my view by saying "all men."
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What the fuck!?

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[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13239.msg134030#msg134030 date=1132035061]
I don't think women are equal, the declaration of independence supports my view by saying "all men."
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What the fuck!?
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Calm down.  He's just giving an example.

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[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13239.msg134030#msg134030 date=1132035061]
I don't think women are equal, the declaration of independence supports my view by saying "all men."
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What the fuck!?
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Calm down. He's just giving an example.
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Oops, saw that and got agitated. Nevermind.

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[quote author=WoOdTroll link=topic=13239.msg134061#msg134061 date=1132072667]
[quote]DUI?...yes, those people should have their license revoked, drunk drivers kill[/quote]

So you're saying that if you got a DUI you'd like to get your license revoked? Nonesense, you'd be begging for another chance.
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If I had a DUI, I should damn well have my license revoked forever.  It's surprisingly easy to not drink and drive: don't drink, OR don't drive.  DUH. 


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Speaking of which, do you even drink? And if you do, probably once in a while right? Maybe on certain occasions?(Just questions)

If so then I know why it would be easy for you. Compared to alcoholics. But we all know how drunks think...Alot of lack of judgment. Don't really care whats right, and whats wrong correct? Most of the time drunk driving, occurs when some one doesn't want to stay at a party, and sleep in the bathroom, they'd rather be home. Or they're just dumb, and want go driving. I don't support either.

I think it depends on the felony really. Just with the punishments, the more heineous the crime the worse the punishment.

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[quote author=FrOzeN link=topic=13239.msg134029#msg134029 date=1132034667]
When a felon is free from jail, they have paid there crime and therefore should be allowed access to there civil rights (or w/e there called).
[/quote]"All men are created equal".  So, by that logic, from birth all males should be able to vote.

Things are meant to be interpretted I believe.  Bible, Constitution, w/e.  Yes, those things have a nice foundation but cannot stand alone in today's society.

I don't think women are equal, the declaration of independence supports my view by saying "all men."
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I really hope you don't actually believe what you are saying in this post.  :p

IMO, felons that have been released deserve their rights like the next guy, they've paid, and therefore are just another person like you and me in regard to having rights.

I really think you need to expand your viewpoint a little bit Crazed and approach things with a bit more open-mindedness rather than just being flat out conservative in opinion.
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Woman comment was just an example, just as Explicit said (thanks for pointing that out to some people how didn't see the sarcasm)

Felons are not like me, I haven't committed a felony, therefore I'm not like a felon.  I AM better than a felon.  Felonies are extreme violations against society.

Adron, felons don't commit crimes against the government, they commit crimes against society.

& yes, if I got a DUI I shouldn't drive.  I'm obviously not capable of understanding to not drink & drive to begin with, so I shouldnt drive.  Hell, there are people that shouldnt be allowed to drive while sober (IMO) but w/e

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13239.msg134250#msg134250 date=1132125081]
Adron, felons don't commit crimes against the government, they commit crimes against society.
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All crimes that you are sentenced to some punishment for are really crimes against laws the government created. Crimes against society is much more vague and could include attacking Iraq, dropping the a-bomb on Nagasaki, or just taking your bad mood to work and bringing down everyone else ;)

Government is formed by society.  Laws created by the governing society keep society in check & functioning.

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Government is formed by society.  Laws created by the governing society keep society in check & functioning.
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Whatever you say does not change the point I was making.

Government is selected by voting. If government passes rule: It is a crime to not have green hair. And those found guilty of a crime are not allowed to vote. Then the current government (who presumably made sure they had green hair ahead of time) will rule forever.

Green hair isn't a felony.
I highly doubt that the entire population would be in jail so as the only voters were the members of Congress & the President.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13239.msg134265#msg134265 date=1132151444]
Green hair isn't a felony.
I highly doubt that the entire population would be in jail so as the only voters were the members of Congress & the President.
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You're missing his point entirely, or you're just trying to avoid it by bringing up some lame statement.

No I'm not.  Green hair is lame, it cannot be compared to murder or kiddnapping or w/e some more felonies are.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=13239.msg134281#msg134281 date=1132169034]
No I'm not.  Green hair is lame, it cannot be compared to murder or kiddnapping or w/e some more felonies are.
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Tax evasion? Government decides on a $50000 tax, those who cannot pay cannot vote...