http://kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=3717238&nav=AbBzdI6F

HAHA!
Screw you illegal immigrants.
I bet Richardson is doing this to keep the illegal immigrants down so there is a better image of our area (for the XPrize launch pad thing which is like a 40 minutes drive from my house)

It would be better if it was an electric fence.

I want to be part of that citizen border patrol group.

I honestlly don't see the point in such things.  It would be much easier and cheaper for everyone if we gave out work visas to people who wanted to come assuming they are not felons in their home country.

Screw that, I like being able to understand the people that take my order.

I still like the idea of a giant lake of fire set on a timer much better.

Lake of fire...on a timer?

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=12516.msg124293#msg124293 date=1124041098]
Screw that, I like being able to understand the people that take my order.
[/quote]

For the extremlly short amount of time I worked at mcdonalds all the illegal immigrants worked in the back.

And hell we need people who will clean our houses and mow our lawns cheaplly.

I think everyone overestimates the dependence of the American economy on illegal labor.

[quote author=Forged link=topic=12516.msg124297#msg124297 date=1124041865]
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=12516.msg124293#msg124293 date=1124041098]
Screw that, I like being able to understand the people that take my order.
[/quote]

For the extremlly short amount of time I worked at mcdonalds all the illegal immigrants worked in the back.

And hell we need people who will clean our houses and mow our lawns cheaplly.
[/quote]

When I was 10 or 11 I payed people like 10 cents (maybe it was a dollar?) to clean my room each week. Two of my friends that lived down the street that were older than me were the people. They also got a free snack and got to choose the video game we played.

They were not illegal immigrants.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=12516.msg124306#msg124306 date=1124045414]
[quote author=Forged link=topic=12516.msg124297#msg124297 date=1124041865]
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=12516.msg124293#msg124293 date=1124041098]
Screw that, I like being able to understand the people that take my order.
[/quote]

For the extremlly short amount of time I worked at mcdonalds all the illegal immigrants worked in the back.

And hell we need people who will clean our houses and mow our lawns cheaplly.
[/quote]

When I was 10 or 11 I payed people like 10 cents (maybe it was a dollar?) to clean my room each week. Two of my friends that lived down the street that were older than me were the people. They also got a free snack and got to choose the video game we played.

They were not illegal immigrants.
[/quote]
I think you missed the point I was attempting to make...

His point was, you need to quit stereotyping.

They should really just setup a circus game type thing along the border. $3 for 5 shots, kill 5 mexicans win a prize. It would fix the problem fast++.

[quote author=Topaz link=topic=12516.msg124344#msg124344 date=1124069862]
His point was, you need to quit stereotyping.
[/quote]

An imigrant expecially one from mexico really can't do much more than that when they first come to the U.S.  The type of people coming here are generally poorlly educated and either don't speak english at all or do not speak it well.  I live in San Antonio, a meca for illegal aliens...

Depends if they have relatives or not.

What about relatives?...

[quote author=Zorm link=topic=12516.msg124346#msg124346 date=1124070862]
They should really just setup a circus game type thing along the border. $3 for 5 shots, kill 5 mexicans win a prize. It would fix the problem fast++.
[/quote]

I got plenty of money and space for some prizes

Anyway, they need to do something about the immigration problem badly. My grandparents, when they were asked if they wanted to donate money again to the Republican party said that they aren't going to, and my consider voting independent unless Bush starts to do something about the immigration problem. Some friends of theirs who my grandma used to work with (well, she worked with the wife) live (or recently moved from, not sure) outside of San Diego. The lady works(ed?) in the education there and the husband is a Commander in the Navy. She did nursing, and she said everyday a schoolbus goes to the Mexican border and picks up the kids. The kids are supposed to be only American Citizens (like, their parents were MExican, snuck into the US and had their kid so their kid gets benefits) but they don't regulate it so Mexicans just get on it. The kids don't speak English or anything. I'm incredibly against us conforming to their language, they need to learn English or leave. It's a sad day when, IN AMERICA, at theme parks or wherever, the directions are read in Spanish before English. That's what is going on in Florida now according to my grandma, in fact, this lady she knows is spanish (or mexican, or something) and her neighberhood used to be like an upper-middle or middle or something class white neighborhood, now it's 99% hispanic.

Yay for North Eastern gated communities, lock em' out!

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=12516.msg124411#msg124411 date=1124147747]
Anyway, they need to do something about the immigration problem badly. My grandparents, when they were asked if they wanted to donate money again to the Republican party said that they aren't going to, and my consider voting independent unless Bush starts to do something about the immigration problem. Some friends of theirs who my grandma used to work with (well, she worked with the wife) live (or recently moved from, not sure) outside of San Diego. The lady works(ed?) in the education there and the husband is a Commander in the Navy. She did nursing, and she said everyday a schoolbus goes to the Mexican border and picks up the kids. The kids are supposed to be only American Citizens (like, their parents were MExican, snuck into the US and had their kid so their kid gets benefits) but they don't regulate it so Mexicans just get on it. The kids don't speak English or anything. I'm incredibly against us conforming to their language, they need to learn English or leave. It's a sad day when, IN AMERICA, at theme parks or wherever, the directions are read in Spanish before English. That's what is going on in Florida now according to my grandma, in fact, this lady she knows is spanish (or mexican, or something) and her neighberhood used to be like an upper-middle or middle or something class white neighborhood, now it's 99% hispanic.

Yay for North Eastern gated communities, lock em' out!
[/quote]
Look on the bright side, atleast they aren't signing treaties with us that take our land then breaking said treaties and killing/raping us for more land.

I really don't see what's wrong with having signs/directions in Spanish before English when there is an incredibly large Spanish influence in Southern states, especially California, New Mexico, etc.  There's also nothing wrong with added diversity in my opinion to this country, considering basically everyone in this country came from different cultures, whether born in America or not.  You're also not being asked to conform to their language, and it's not like we are now anyways, but I don't see what's wrong with people who are willing to conform to their language and with having a large amount of Spanish in those areas when a large amount of people down there are of Spanish speaking cultures.

The problem is, instead of spending the money to enforce the laws they spent them making new signs that include spanish. It'd be great if they all entered legally but get realistic, very few of them did. The other huge problem is the number of violent people illegally entering the US. There are known violent gangs like MS13 crossing the Mexican border into the US.

You must work in a classly town if all the illegal immigrants work in the back at McDonalds Trust. Before the McDonalds here closed it was likely they would talk in Spanish when taking your order and such first before they talked in there limited English.

For whoever claimed they provide cheap labor, thats a rather large lie. Around here you can find plently of Mexican labor but its neither cheap nor decent. Most likely it will be some piss poor half ass job. I'm also doubtful that big corporations are intentionally hiring illegal immigrants. They have a lot to lose if they get busted and very little to gain.

These jobs could be going to our homeless people instead of illegal immigrants. Some may not want a job or accept it but I'm willing to bet that a lot would jump at the chance to have a job.

The farmers round here use mexicans...I'm almost a bizzillion percent possitive they are not paid minimun wage

[quote author=Topaz link=topic=12516.msg124344#msg124344 date=1124069862]
His point was, you need to quit stereotyping.
[/quote]

Stereotyping is a good thing, like racial and ethnic profiling.

[quote author=Mephisto link=topic=12516.msg124437#msg124437 date=1124164638]
I really don't see what's wrong with having signs/directions in Spanish before English when there is an incredibly large Spanish influence in Southern states, especially California, New Mexico, etc. There's also nothing wrong with added diversity in my opinion to this country, considering basically everyone in this country came from different cultures, whether born in America or not. You're also not being asked to conform to their language, and it's not like we are now anyways, but I don't see what's wrong with people who are willing to conform to their language and with having a large amount of Spanish in those areas when a large amount of people down there are of Spanish speaking cultures.
[/quote]

Because this is our country, they don't have English signs period in a lot of their country (S. America for instance). If they want to live here they should speak our language. I don't care if there is diversity, but they need to be able to communicate with us. It's wrong when, in America now, you can go shopping and the cashier or something can't even speak English.


[quote]You must work in a classly town if all the illegal immigrants work in the back at McDonalds Trust.[/quote]

I didn't say that, we don't have a mexican problem here.

[quote author=Grok link=topic=12516.msg124450#msg124450 date=1124203123]
[quote author=Topaz link=topic=12516.msg124344#msg124344 date=1124069862]
His point was, you need to quit stereotyping.
[/quote]

Stereotyping is a good thing, like racial and ethnic profiling.
[/quote]

Not if it's directed in a negative way, especially putting down races and ethnicities as a whole, not the individuals.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=12516.msg124472#msg124472 date=1124230755]
[quote author=Mephisto link=topic=12516.msg124437#msg124437 date=1124164638]
I really don't see what's wrong with having signs/directions in Spanish before English when there is an incredibly large Spanish influence in Southern states, especially California, New Mexico, etc. There's also nothing wrong with added diversity in my opinion to this country, considering basically everyone in this country came from different cultures, whether born in America or not. You're also not being asked to conform to their language, and it's not like we are now anyways, but I don't see what's wrong with people who are willing to conform to their language and with having a large amount of Spanish in those areas when a large amount of people down there are of Spanish speaking cultures.
[/quote]

Because this is our country, they don't have English signs period in a lot of their country (S. America for instance). If they want to live here they should speak our language. I don't care if there is diversity, but they need to be able to communicate with us. It's wrong when, in America now, you can go shopping and the cashier or something can't even speak English.
[/quote]

Ah you don't like that?  How is it not YOUR problem then that you cannot speak the language of the cashier?  Don't go to that store?  Oops now you're less able to move freely about doing commerce.  Maybe its part your responsibility to learn the primary alternate languages.

Or maybe they should learn English.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=12516.msg124518#msg124518 date=1124279499]
Or maybe they should learn English.
[/quote]

Or maybe they don't care for your business? Maybe they're happy dealing with everyone else?

If they don't want our business they should stay in their country.

Sounds like you're the one with the problem.  The employee is happily employed, the employer has happily hired the person, and there you are, the only unhappy one.  The problem isn't theirs, its yours.

The customer is always right. If you're in an English speaking country, your business should speak English. I don't care if you disagree, but I don't feel I should learn a different language just to go shopping.

Hahah, that's a myth that business tells the customer so they'll feel good.  Most of the time, the customer is wrong.

Not in this case.

Honestlly I have more problems understanding the person taking my order at the local chinese resturaunt than I do at Mcdonalds. 

[quote author=Forged link=topic=12516.msg124559#msg124559 date=1124329211]
Honestlly I have more problems understanding the person taking my order at the local chinese resturaunt than I do at Mcdonalds. 
[/quote]

Yeah, but you can't jump a fence to get to American from China.

[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=12516.msg124584#msg124584 date=1124345779]
[quote author=Forged link=topic=12516.msg124559#msg124559 date=1124329211]
Honestlly I have more problems understanding the person taking my order at the local chinese resturaunt than I do at Mcdonalds. 
[/quote]

Yeah, but you can't jump a fence to get to American from China.
[/quote]

LOLZ

[quote author=Banana fanna fo fanna link=topic=12516.msg124584#msg124584 date=1124345779]
[quote author=Forged link=topic=12516.msg124559#msg124559 date=1124329211]
Honestlly I have more problems understanding the person taking my order at the local chinese resturaunt than I do at Mcdonalds. 
[/quote]

Yeah, but you can't jump a fence to get to American from China.
[/quote]

But you can take a boat...

OOOH!
Cashier @ univ. bookstore yesterday made an AWESOME point about speaking English.  He wasn't talking about illegal immigrants, he was talking about SMART LEGAL immigrants that have accents that are insane to try & understand them.  I spose it's one thing to pay people minimum wage & try to understand them @ McDonalds, but to not be able to understand a professor while PAYING for some class, ridiculous.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=12516.msg124821#msg124821 date=1124591103]
OOOH!
Cashier @ univ. bookstore yesterday made an AWESOME point about speaking English.  He wasn't talking about illegal immigrants, he was talking about SMART LEGAL immigrants that have accents that are insane to try & understand them.  I spose it's one thing to pay people minimum wage & try to understand them @ McDonalds, but to not be able to understand a professor while PAYING for some class, ridiculous.

[/quote]
I belive my step-mom failed calculus or something because her proffesor had a heavy accent and she couldn't understand him.  It seems silly to me to hire someone to an oratory proffesion if majority of people can't understand the person.

Can we say personal responsibility?  If your mom was in a class with a professor she could not understand, she knew that on DAY ONE and should have transferred or withdrawn from the class.

She is also a dumbass, but it seems counter-productive to hire a person for a job that requires speaking quite frequentlly if people have problems understanding the person.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=12516.msg124539#msg124539 date=1124310603]
If they don't want our business they should stay in their country.
[/quote]

Well, they are in their country. They seem quite successful making it theirs. You're the one in their country.

[quote author=Forged link=topic=12516.msg124291#msg124291 date=1124040482]
I honestlly don't see the point in such things.  It would be much easier and cheaper for everyone if we gave out work visas to people who wanted to come assuming they are not felons in their home country.
[/quote]

I don't want their kids in the school I go to. Sorry, but they're arrogant (they think they are better than everybody else), and if you punish them they bitch and whine to no end.

Fuck them, they can attend school in their own country. I don't want them in mine.

[quote author=Adron link=topic=12516.msg124947#msg124947 date=1124715220]
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=12516.msg124539#msg124539 date=1124310603]
If they don't want our business they should stay in their country.
[/quote]

Well, they are in their country. They seem quite successful making it theirs. You're the one in their country.
[/quote]

Um, I fail to see how America 'belongs' to illegal immigrants. I'm sure you have no clue what I'm talking about, since it's kind of hard for Mexicans to sneak into Sweden at a rate of 1200+ a day (of which only ~300 get caught) amassing to over 11 million undocumented immigrants. Are there even 11 million people IN Sweden?

[quote author=Newby link=topic=12516.msg124949#msg124949 date=1124717088]
[quote author=Forged link=topic=12516.msg124291#msg124291 date=1124040482]
I honestlly don't see the point in such things.  It would be much easier and cheaper for everyone if we gave out work visas to people who wanted to come assuming they are not felons in their home country.
[/quote]

I don't want their kids in the school I go to. Sorry, but they're arrogant (they think they are better than everybody else), and if you punish them they bitch and whine to no end.

Fuck them, they can attend school in their own country. I don't want them in mine.
[/quote]

Take a step back. Read your post again and think about what you just said. Does it not sound like you? Ironic, huh?

Most everyone in this country is an illegal immigrant or descended from one.  Before it was America we were invaders, and it only became ours because we shot and killed so many of the rightful residents.  During the 1700s and 1800s, after we were "legitimate", tens of millions of Irish, Polish, German, Italian, and others were each at one point or another called names for coming to America and "taking our jobs" and "barely speaking English".  They were ruining it for the genuine Americans.

We've heard all these bigoted small-minded provincial arguments before.  You can wrap them in whatever package you wish, but America is greatest when people can immigrate here and TAKE ADVANTAGE of the system that is in place.  You get pissed when the cashier at the burger joint cannot understand you, but yet you won't take the job yourself.  You don't like all the migrant farm workers because they're illegally working, but do you gather up your friends and go pick potatoes for $15/day to take their jobs?  I didn't think so.

Word. Couldn't agree more.

[quote author=Grok link=topic=12516.msg124980#msg124980 date=1124747282]
Most everyone in this country is an illegal immigrant or descended from one.  Before it was America we were invaders, and it only became ours because we shot and killed so many of the rightful residents.  During the 1700s and 1800s, after we were "legitimate", tens of millions of Irish, Polish, German, Italian, and others were each at one point or another called names for coming to America and "taking our jobs" and "barely speaking English".  They were ruining it for the genuine Americans.

We've heard all these bigoted small-minded provincial arguments before.  You can wrap them in whatever package you wish, but America is greatest when people can immigrate here and TAKE ADVANTAGE of the system that is in place.  You get pissed when the cashier at the burger joint cannot understand you, but yet you won't take the job yourself.  You don't like all the migrant farm workers because they're illegally working, but do you gather up your friends and go pick potatoes for $15/day to take their jobs?  I didn't think so.
[/quote]

Settlers*

Settlers are now Mexican, Chinese, Vietnamese, Haitian, ...

[quote author=Grok link=topic=12516.msg124980#msg124980 date=1124747282]
Most everyone in this country is an illegal immigrant or descended from one. Before it was America we were invaders, and it only became ours because we shot and killed so many of the rightful residents. During the 1700s and 1800s, after we were "legitimate", tens of millions of Irish, Polish, German, Italian, and others were each at one point or another called names for coming to America and "taking our jobs" and "barely speaking English". They were ruining it for the genuine Americans.

We've heard all these bigoted small-minded provincial arguments before. You can wrap them in whatever package you wish, but America is greatest when people can immigrate here and TAKE ADVANTAGE of the system that is in place. You get pissed when the cashier at the burger joint cannot understand you, but yet you won't take the job yourself. You don't like all the migrant farm workers because they're illegally working, but do you gather up your friends and go pick potatoes for $15/day to take their jobs? I didn't think so.
[/quote]

I don't have a Mexican problem locally, I've said that. There's only 200-250,000 illegals in Virginia, and most of them are up north. There are a good number where I am now too, which is in the middleish part of the state. Where I am the burger people are generally English (or ebonic) speaking. However, at many Mexican restraunts conversation with the staff can be a challenge.

Anyway, your argument is stupid. Our ancestors weren't illegals, there was no immigration law established when we came over and took the indians (and, by the way, my great great grandma (I think that's it) was full Cherokee) land. I'm fairly certain when my ancestors came here from England and Ireland, they weren't running across a border (did you see that clip this morning?) or in any way trying to avoid border patrol.

Let me make it clear, I have no problem with people immigrating here, it's how America got so big. However, if they're going to immigrate here, they need to do it LEGALLY. Go through the natrualization process, learn our culture and language, and become Americans. I think that, from now on, since you support us learning their language and conforming to them so much that you should post all of your future posts in Spanish (w/o the use of a translator.) I don't care if you speak it or not, but do that from now on please.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=12516.msg125102#msg125102 date=1124831711]
I don't have a Mexican problem locally, I've said that. There's only 200-250,000 illegals in Virginia, and most of them are up north. There are a good number where I am now too, which is in the middleish part of the state. Where I am the burger people are generally English (or ebonic) speaking. However, at many Mexican restraunts conversation with the staff can be a challenge.
[/quote]

What do you expect? It's a Mexican restaurant!

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=12516.msg125102#msg125102 date=1124831711]
Anyway, your argument is stupid. Our ancestors weren't illegals, there was no immigration law established when we came over and took the indians (and, by the way, my great great grandma (I think that's it) was full Cherokee) land. I'm fairly certain when my ancestors came here from England and Ireland, they weren't running across a border (did you see that clip this morning?) or in any way trying to avoid border patrol.
[/quote]

I am part white myself. I'm pretty sure my great great great grandma was Dutch or something but I can't really prove it. Anyways, there were a lot of illegal immigrants coming from Europe. And you cannot prove there was "no immigration law established." Typically, if you are at war with someone that means you don't want them on your land.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=12516.msg125102#msg125102 date=1124831711]
Let me make it clear, I have no problem with people immigrating here, it's how America got so big. However, if they're going to immigrate here, they need to do it LEGALLY. Go through the natrualization process, learn our culture and language, and become Americans.
[/quote]

If you look at the early immigration periods many europeans coming to america did not speak english. It was a huge barrier, yet you have nothing to say about them.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=12516.msg125102#msg125102 date=1124831711]
I think that, from now on, since you support us learning their language and conforming to them so much that you should post all of your future posts in Spanish (w/o the use of a translator.) I don't care if you speak it or not, but do that from now on please.
[/quote]

Your thought process is inane and narrow.