Wearing your collar down is for poor people!

[url]http://www.georgetownheckler.com/collar.html[/url]

I love that article. I posted it on my MySpace and people left me mean comments. :(

Edit: One of the harsher ones,

[quote]hahaha your such an ugly lame faggot. you would get your ass kicked personally by me if you ever looked at me, but thats okay because i know im much cooler than you will ever be, i have a personality, and i dont get girls drunk and take liberties with them. for that you are fucked up and bought your first girlfriend. i hope your happy because one day shes going to have you killed by a hitman and take all your money.[/quote]

I find it hillarious. This is for all you fucking preps out there, you know who you are.

Haha that was pretty good.

People who wear shirts with collars are queer.

HEY... I LIKE TO WEAR SHIRTS WITH COLLARS (button down dress shirts)... AND I LIKE TO WEAR TIES (though this is all w/ like some nasty jeans or something). Grrrr.

Any of you guys in college?

Hmm, I have an orange polo & a few blue ones...?  I wear the collar down on those, but my orange sweatshirt type thing I wear the collar up (cause it was made that way)

[quote author=warz link=topic=11541.msg111828#msg111828 date=1115703056]
Any of you guys in college?
[/quote]

You're great, I'm assuming you're talking about the large amount of preps in frats that wear their collar in the upright position? (<3 http://www.fratty.net) I want to go to UVA - it's probably one of the preppiest schools in the country. The VA Tech kids make fun of them because they wear ties to football games. :P

I'd say most college people are the opposite of this.  I know more college people that wear just whatever is clean (or almost clean) & none of it matches.

Yeah. College in general - I just wear whatevers clean, or on my floor infront of me. If I'm going to a frat party or something though, I throw on the polo.. and after a night worth of drinking I usually end up throwin the party collar up. It just happens.

I hate when people call it, "party collar" - though only you and torque do it. I've temporarily put mine down in protest of the recent craze it's become across America.

Yea, preps are dumbasses.

I just where jeans and a sweat shirt. I have 4 pairs of jeans. I DONT follow any trends.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=11541.msg111907#msg111907 date=1115763482]
Yea, preps are dumbasses.
[/quote]

Who was this in response to?

General comment.

Not always, I know a few whom are quite smart

Most, real, preps are smart - afterall, most go to prep schools and then go on to good schools and all that; unless you're my mom. Maybe you hate the fake preps, Hazard? I really don't like this new preppy trend - (no offence to anyone, like CrAz3D) - of slutty Abercrombie clothes, or American Eagle, or Aeropostale, etc.

I just graduated from a prep school, and most of the preppy kids are the morons. Preps honestly believe that their money alone makes them superior or that their money makes them smarter, which is ironic because it is rarely true. I hate real and fake preps. As a word to Abercrombie, AE, Hollister, Aeropostale, etc. as Lewis Black says "Kids, you don't have to spend a lot of money to look like SHIT!" Why spend money on clothes that are all worn out and faded? I mean shit, all my faded clothes have gotten like that the manly way.

I buy all of my clothes without holes (except for like arms & neck & legs & such).  I generally buy EVERYTHING on sale EVERYWHERE.  The most I've ever spent on a shirt is $35 for a nice dress shirt @ Folery's for like church...most on pants is $40 for dress slacks from JC Penny's.  I'm currently wearing a $15 polo (reg. $30) & $20 shorts (reg. $20, I think).  I don't dress slutty, I pick what I like & go from there.

Your post is nothing more than a generalization, no better than me saying "everybody who wears this nouveau-riche stuff like Abercrombie is a slut." Sure, it practically promotes porn it would seem, and the clothes show off half the body and are ugly and gross and slutty and tacky, etc. but that doesn't mean everybody is a slut.

You should have gone to public school, there the kids make fun of you if you're upper-middle class/upper class as opposed to the opposite going on in (I assume it's the same everywhere as it is here) prep schools.

This is, more or less, the first time I remember disagreeing with you on something.

Who are you talking to and what are you talking about?

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=11541.msg111941#msg111941 date=1115771409]
Who are you talking to and what are you talking about?
[/quote]

It was response to your post, obviously. When I started typing it CrAz3D hadn't replied.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg111939#msg111939 date=1115771292]
Your post is nothing more than a generalization[/quote]

Made from four years of daily experience.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg111939#msg111939 date=1115771292]
You should have gone to public school[/quote]

From kindergarten through 8th grade I went to public school.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg111939#msg111939 date=1115771292]there the kids make fun of you if you're upper-middle class/upper class as opposed to the opposite going on in (I assume it's the same everywhere as it is here) prep schools.[/quote]

Thats not how it goes, actually.

[quote author=warz link=topic=11541.msg111828#msg111828 date=1115703056]
Any of you guys in college?
[/quote] I will be this fall...

I only wear my color up on blazers... and only one blazer. Oh yeah, and my starwars jacket because that is basically the only way to wear it.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=11541.msg111995#msg111995 date=1115780715]
Made from four years of daily experience.[/quote]

I don't find it hard to beleive, but I'm still not sure if you're referring simply to "crombie-zombies" who always say "like" and stuff. Probably not, that's what I have to deal with.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=11541.msg111995#msg111995 date=1115780715]Thats not how it goes, actually.[/quote]

No? Explain.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=11541.msg111995#msg111995 date=1115780715]
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg111939#msg111939 date=1115771292]there the kids make fun of you if you're upper-middle class/upper class as opposed to the opposite going on in (I assume it's the same everywhere as it is here) prep schools.[/quote]

Thats not how it goes, actually.
[/quote]I gotta agree with Hazard, I've never seen anyone made fun of for being 'prep'

Not really at a public school anyway. I mean sure you get people like me who hate preppy kids and a few of my buddies who pick on them, but its never the vast majority picking on a vast minority.

Trust, what do you think putting your collar up is? It's a TREND! Even back in the day! You're not original, you're like 12 years old. You cant put your collar up and say youre not doing it because you know somebody else did, or you saw it on MTV, or you heard about it from your parents - sorry trust, you cannot avoid the fact that it's a trend. Might as well put it back up, accept the fact that it's called the party collar sometimes, and get on with looking at your gay porn.

Abercrombie is slutty? The hell. Nug.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=11541.msg112072#msg112072 date=1115825040]
[quote author=Hazard link=topic=11541.msg111995#msg111995 date=1115780715]
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg111939#msg111939 date=1115771292]there the kids make fun of you if you're upper-middle class/upper class as opposed to the opposite going on in (I assume it's the same everywhere as it is here) prep schools.[/quote]

Thats not how it goes, actually.
[/quote]I gotta agree with Hazard, I've never seen anyone made fun of for being 'prep'
[/quote]

That's not what I was saying. He was saying how in his school everyone was elitist and looked down upon those that weren't as affluent as the rest. I was saying, since he didn't like that, he'd be better off in public school. In my school, at least, people are more likely to be mean to you if you are slightly affluent. Mainly because everyone here is pretty poor/on welfare. =P I don't think I've seen people, in real life at least, get picked on for being a prep. I've seen people make fun of the clothes/collar up thing, however.

[quote author=warz link=topic=11541.msg112090#msg112090 date=1115831666]
Trust, what do you think putting your collar up is? It's a TREND! Even back in the day! You're not original, you're like 12 years old. You cant put your collar up and say youre not doing it because you know somebody else did, or you saw it on MTV, or you heard about it from your parents - sorry trust, you cannot avoid the fact that it's a trend. Might as well put it back up, accept the fact that it's called the party collar sometimes, and get on with looking at your gay porn.

Abercrombie is slutty? The hell. Nug.
[/quote]

I meant the whole trend that it's become associated with mainstream media, such as 50 Cent, Kanye West, etc. I know it was a trend before, I'd be dumb not to know that. Even though it started as just a way to add flair to school uniforms and/or hide hickies. Well, I think originally it was in rugby team locker rooms. Since they couldn't talk about personal stuff really, they'd wear their collar up to signify they got laid the night before or something. That was back when rugby was an elite mens sport and all that good stuff. I'll accept the fact that it's called the party collar, but it's just a term I hadn't heard. I guess it'd probably be used more frequently on college campuses.

Holes exposing half of your leg definitely don't fit into the "classy" category, I really can't see how that's not at least somewhat slutty. Plus, the store/catalog is like a porn movie when you walk in there (or so I've heard.)

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg112124#msg112124 date=1115847903]
He was saying how in his school everyone was elitist[/quote]

No I didn't.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg112124#msg112124 date=1115847903]and looked down upon those that weren't as affluent as the rest[/quote]

No I didn't.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg112124#msg112124 date=1115847903]I was saying, since he didn't like that, he'd be better off in public school.[/quote]

I left public school for worse reasons, such as the education sucking.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg112124#msg112124 date=1115847903]In my school, at least, people are more likely to be mean to you if you are slightly affluent.[/quote]

Do you live in a poor district? Thats tragic.

The county I live used to be in the top 5 of the poorest counties in the nation...you can't get much worse off.  Every group keeps to themselves...the only conflicts between the societical different groups have been football vs. gang cause some gang kid beat up a little brother of a football member...then shit hit the fan...that's all though


EDIT:
In refference to Abercrombie being w/e...it's a style & a statement (sometimes), but not a lifestyle.  The holes look stupid, but it's fashionable, as is elegant gowns are fashionable in high soceity of England & the like

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=11541.msg112132#msg112132 date=1115849074]
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg112124#msg112124 date=1115847903]
He was saying how in his school everyone was elitist[/quote]

No I didn't.

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg112124#msg112124 date=1115847903]and looked down upon those that weren't as affluent as the rest[/quote]

No I didn't.[/quote]

You said something along the lines of "Preps think that they're superior because of their money, and that they're smarter because of their money. Obviously, it's assumed that since they feel that less-affluent people are inferior, that they also look down upon those people. In addition, if they feel that they are of an 'elite group' (hence, superior) due to their money then they are, in essence, elitists. So, yeah, you did. Also, you said that your information was based upon your highschool experience. It's only right to assume that you were talking about your high school, and that's what I assumed.


[quote]
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg112124#msg112124 date=1115847903]I was saying, since he didn't like that, he'd be better off in public school.[/quote]

I left public school for worse reasons, such as the education sucking.[/quote]

I never questioned your reasons for leaving public school. I don't blame you, I wish I had the countless times my parents asked me too. For some reason I wanted to stay with my friends, I don't talk to any of them anymore.
[quote]
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg112124#msg112124 date=1115847903]In my school, at least, people are more likely to be mean to you if you are slightly affluent.[/quote]

Do you live in a poor district? Thats tragic.[/quote]

My whole city is poor, it's a lot of minorities (44% black) and a lot of military (We are home to the worlds larget naval base.)

To quote Wikipedia:

[quote]The median income for a household in the city is $31,815, and the median income for a family is $36,891. Males have a median income of $25,848 versus $21,907 for females. The per capita income for the city is $17,372. 19.4% of the population and 15.5% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 27.9% of those under the age of 18 and 13.2% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line.[/quote]

Again, I'm not sure how widespread this is, but I've been the target of some comments due to it.

Double post, but unrelated to my former post as it was a debating post.

George Bush, George W. Bush, and John Kerry all popped their collars (W still does, I think) - and they were all preps. Heck, Bush went to Andover, was born in Greenwich, and him and Kerry both were both caught wearing Vineyard Vines ties during the election race. I guess your beloved president is actually someone you hate, a...prep.

Dubyah doesn't walk around with his collar popped... in fact I've never seen that picture before.

I said I think. I read it somewhere, but I couldn't find a picture. I guess I was right on everything else I said? At least answer why you don't hate Bush, even though he is no doubt a prep.

Most to all business people dress 'preppy' I believe

Trust do you not like girls?

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg112280#msg112280 date=1115934459]
I said I think. I read it somewhere, but I couldn't find a picture. I guess I was right on everything else I said? At least answer why you don't hate Bush, even though he is no doubt a prep.
[/quote]

Because of his actions. He simply doesn't act preppy. He doesn't come across that way to me at all. Bush, in his demeanor, reminds me a lot of Reagan. He has that backyard BBQ kind of swagger to him, like he's a person that you could talk to. He doesn't walk around with his striped American Eagle shirt with a popped collar and $300 transparent sunglasses with a cell phone permenantly attached to his head. Preppy kids aren't down to Earth, and thats experience talking.

[quote author=CrAz3D link=topic=11541.msg112281#msg112281 date=1115934861]
Most to all business people dress 'preppy' I believe
[/quote]

No, they don't. They dress in business attire.

[quote author=warz link=topic=11541.msg112283#msg112283 date=1115936833]
Trust do you not like girls?
[/quote]

No, I love them. Though, unlike most I've come across, I want a girl with a bit of class - not one showing off half of her body to anybody who wants to check her out.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=11541.msg112285#msg112285 date=1115937418]
[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg112280#msg112280 date=1115934459]
I said I think. I read it somewhere, but I couldn't find a picture. I guess I was right on everything else I said? At least answer why you don't hate Bush, even though he is no doubt a prep.
[/quote]

Because of his actions. He simply doesn't act preppy. He doesn't come across that way to me at all. Bush, in his demeanor, reminds me a lot of Reagan. He has that backyard BBQ kind of swagger to him, like he's a person that you could talk to. He doesn't walk around with his striped American Eagle shirt with a popped collar and $300 transparent sunglasses with a cell phone permenantly attached to his head. Preppy kids aren't down to Earth, and thats experience talking.
[/quote]

I really think you're getting the wrong idea of what a prep is. There's a general definition used by most kids today that doesn't fit what one really is. The whole new-age fake-preps are the ones that go around flaunting their stuff, and wear the trend whore American Eagle/Abercrombie/whatever. One of the whole ideas is to not be all flashy like that.

You have no problem with Bush wearing a $3,000+ tie. (Vineyard Vines ties (extremely preppy!) are ~$68, iirc. However, when you have a custom tie made it starts at 3k, which is where I got that figure.) He's a mature adult now who has an image to maintain. He lives in Crawford now, no longer Greenwich - madras shorts, topsiders, and a pink polo w/ the collar up just wouldn't look right on him now. I'm sure when he's at the country club, he's in perfectly proper preppy golf attire,  however. Besides, look at his wife...that lady defines class.

So you're basically defining for me what a prep is? Thats not how I define a prep.

Then at least supply your definition. Most likely you're wrong.

Why did you stop debating me point by point, I'm assuming you agree with me on everything except my definition?

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg112306#msg112306 date=1115948833]
Most likely you're wrong.[/quote]

And what, exactly, are you basing that on? What makes your definition correct?

Seeing as how I'm the only one to establish a definition thus far, mine should be accepted as correct until it's challenged.

I like this definition most of all:

[quote]Noun (Prep): Comes from identifiying one who goes to a prepratory or "prep" school (typically on the East Coast), or a school with the intent of preparing its students for college (often Ivy League).
Has come to be an label for those who conform to typical teenage behavior, in areas like clothing, school behavior, and sports participation, because preps usually are more ambitious and/or image-conscious than others.
Popular belief is that preps hate nerds/goths/punks/etc, however, generally, preps pay little attention to other "types," and those who hate preps with the most passion are those who were once preps and have recently gone away from their previous behavior, and often people who are posers intent on protecting their alternative-ness.
Prep has become to be nearly synonymous with conformist, to the point where most preps have been in denial of their typecast, and it is seen as an insult in the eyes of many.
Preppy is the adjective form, Preppily is the adverb.[/quote]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prep&r=f

Preps still wear Abercrombie slutty stuff, it's the today's-age prep.

[quote]A true preppy is someone who:
Wears, but is not limited to, Polo, Lilly, Brooks Brothers, Lacoste, LL Bean (ie duck boots), ribbon belts, prints (ie cords with embroidered whales, palm trees, etc), sweaters tied around the neck, collar always popped, looks neat and put together. Hair ribbons or ribbon headbands, pearls, and other classic jewelry pull the look together. Preppies are partial to monogrammed and engraved items (ie tote bags, oxford shirts, jewelry, money clips, etc). Colors are always brite (favorites include pink and lime green). Preppies may not always match EXACTLY but they are always coordinated. Hats are worn (ie polo player, Lacoste, Brooks Brothers), but they are unique- not designs you would see in the mainstream and the "mall".
Preppies often attend prep schools (ie Middlesex School, Governor Dummer Academy, and Belmont Hill) followed by New England private colleges.
They are confident and unafraid to express their own styles and be daring in their fashions. Preppies vacation on Nantucket, Martha's Vineyard, Delray Beach, and on the coast of Maine. These vacation locales are places their families have been going to for years, and have histories there.
It is a common misconception that preppies are snobs. Many people view them as unapproachable, and as a result mislabel them. Preppies are not as rich as people may think they are, but they are often well off. They buy into classics rather than trends, and don't change their lifestyles with fads.
Preppies tend to have bizarre connections with other preppies they meet, always finding mutual friends/ family and people that run in the same circle.

Preppies don't:
* Wear tight, skin exposing clothing (ie fitted Abercrombie sexual tshirts with tight flared jeans)
* Limit themselves to mall shopping and chain stores. They gravitate towards long-established classic stores and boutiques unique to quaint New England towns.
* Wear heavy makeup and endless hair products. The phrase "less is more" is a preppy creed.
* Glue purses to their arms, especially when going to school. Lip gloss and if need be, a wallet, are thrown into tote bags along with books.

Les whispered to Tyler that Linds looked very preppy with her pink popped Pulitzer, cable knit cardigan and pearls.[/quote]

[quote]What do people mean when they say "preppy" (and I'm not talking about the slutty Abercrombie-type prep that everyone seems to talk about here).....?

Preppy as in boarding schools and summers on nantucket. Preppy as in WASP and old money. As in LL Bean fur moccasins and ribbons in your hair, and flip-flops when it's 10 degrees outside. As in sailing and Topsiders and looking back on your house from your boat and being so, so happy. Preppy as in buying clothes not for the label but for what they look like. Preppy as in collars up and Nantucket Red shorts faded to pink. As in crew, tennis, squash, lacrosse. As in Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine. As in Ivy League and prep schools with the word "academy" in their names.[/quote]

[img]http://g.myspace.com/00053/05/41/53491450_l.jpg[/img]

[quote author=hismajesty[yL] link=topic=11541.msg112334#msg112334 date=1115978978]
Seeing as how I'm the only one to establish a definition thus far, mine should be accepted as correct until it's challenged.
[/quote]

That same argument was used to prove the Earth was flat...

Even CrAz3D who isn't in this argument suplied a definition, why can't you? You're disagreeing with mine (and I posted two supporting ones above, with more detail) yet you're not telling me why you're disagreeing.

My personal definition is irrelevant, I just like your logic of how your definition is the right one since its the only one.

Your personal definition is totally relevant, seeing as how you attacked my definition. In real debate, when you do that, you have to supply a definition with it or the argument is dropped. You're failing to provide any evidence/definition/anything so I'm assuming that point is dropped.

You talk about all this experience in your school, so it shouldn't be hard to just describe the people there. Did you even read the definitions I gave? Do you agree with them? If not, why not? Are you admitting that I win all arguments I've brought up thus far, as you've not challenged them? From what I've seen in the poltical debates, you debate any point until you win or until you think you win, but you pretty much just dropped this.

You've still not replied to my Bush comments.

The first reason that I disagree with everything you say is your lack of credibility. For instance, you quoted me as saying something that I totally clearly did not say.

I provided my reasoning behind everything I said, you didn't dispute any of said reasoning. It is therefore assumed that you agree.

Even if you don't like my credibility, what's your problem with telling us your opinion on the matter. Unless of course, you really don't have a definition for it and just had a few assumptions. I'm leaning towards that one.

If you're definition don't matter drop it.

(sorry for wahteverr stuff that may offened people, i'm so freakin tierd)

Your post made no sense.

I'm just loving sorta-kinda debating Hostile. I understand why Arta/Adron get so frustrated with him.

[quote author=Hazard link=topic=11541.msg112466#msg112466 date=1116111672]
My personal definition is irrelevant, I just like your logic of how your definition is the right one since its the only one.
[/quote]
In refference to this post above....or the quoted post, w/e.  If Hazard's definition is irrrelevant he should drop the arguement cause..........what he thinks doesn't matter i guess

Apparently it doesn't matter, seeing as he actually hasn't really told us what he thinks.

I think this is gay.

I'm refusing to finish this... it started as a joke. Haha? Fun Forum?

MY supplied definitions (and picture) are the bomb yo, I win.